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good evening everybody i say evening

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it's eight o'clock here in the uk thank

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you so much for joining me um on the

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youtube channel for disclosure team

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this one is something i've been looking

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forward to quite some time now this

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gentleman that we are speaking to

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tonight i have been following his work

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for many years now i have so much

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respect for the guy um so let's not

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waste any more time i would love to

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introduce you

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to mr steven bassett

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you are muted steve how are you my

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i am unmuted

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how are you

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excellent

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good good i gotta say thank you so much

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for joining me it means so much to me

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because i've been studying this subject

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for about a decade now um

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and i've been following your work for so

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long

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so this really does mean so much to me

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so i cannot thank you enough

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always happy to uh to talk to my good

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friends in

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the uk you're

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where are you based right now where are

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i'm in england i'm in the north i'm in

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the north of england yeah

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okay because that that looks like an

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american flag behind you there

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well i thought i'd bring up like the

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capitol building and stuff because you

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know a lot of stuff that you deal with

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it kind of

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represents that so you know i try and

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utilize my backgrounds for the guest

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that i'm speaking with

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i see okay no problem no problem uh

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look i hope uh we don't have an

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insurrection take place while we're on

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the air here so

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i hope not either

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well you know what the first thing i

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would really love to dig into is could

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just take us back to the kind of the mid

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90s because um

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i believe you were involved with dr john

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mack at some point was that like an in

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the early days of your connection to

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this subject let's say

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uh yeah to say i was involved in john

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mack would be uh a little bit

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i i volunteered for his organization

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that he had set up

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in cambridge massachusetts uh back in

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the early 90s called the program for

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extraordinary experience research he was

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research he was working with actual

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very early obviously

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and he wrote a book called abduction

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human contact with the aliens which

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created quite a str created quite a stir

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particularly amongst the harvard

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so they gave him a hard time and he had

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to spend a lot of money to defend his

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work which eventually they said fine go

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it was a disgrace

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for harvard which we'll have to answer

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to it one day

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but in any event

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i read the book and learned about the

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organization and i wanted to get

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involved in this issue i wasn't sure how

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maybe i could go volunteer

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if you're willing to work for free it's

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amazing how much easier it is for people

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and uh though not that easy anyway i was

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able to do it so i picked up everything

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and just headed to boston and i spent

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four months there and that was my my

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i met him a couple of times talked with

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him i was there during a very

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interesting period in his his life uh

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and uh then i left the boston went down

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to washington dc to start the activist

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yeah because it was only about a year

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later that you started the paradigm

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research group is that right

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actually it was that same year i i

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arrived in boston on january 26th

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uh i left and arrived in washington area

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and i set up paradigm research group

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it up did you did you have like a

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long-term goal or was it just something

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with kind of the subject

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oh there was a goal

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uh namely that this issue that i've been

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that i was quite convinced as a teenager

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was real basic just just on the articles

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you read them and you go well this is

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extraterrestrial i i didn't have any

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when i made the decision to get involved

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in my thinking that was critical

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which came to i think full fruition

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while i was in cambridge with uh peer

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that the problem of this issue wasn't

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about science it wasn't about evidence

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uh we had the evidence

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problem was not political it was

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political not science right what do i

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mean by political

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it was the policy of the united states

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government to not confirm this

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to keep it how would you say closely

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public to get to the bottom of it it was

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and well that gets you into activism

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and so i got involved in the activism to

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resolve the issue of the e.t presence by

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political means

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i didn't think it would take this long i

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assure you i thought it would be

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no reason i had no resources at all

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want to be an activist but in order to

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do that you have to get attention how

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there's a lot of ways to get attention

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most of them are bad

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but i realized that an easy one

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extraterrestrial issue with the us

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congress knowing that no one had ever

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registrations that registration became

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that's exactly what they did and they

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conferences and interviews and what have

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that time with the stigma and the

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ridicule that was surrounding the

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well i i knew there was ridicule

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that it was clearly we were moving out

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ridicule part of the reason is that my

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the truth embargo

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ufology an intellectual ghetto where

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was thrown into that ghetto and and you

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right you you couldn't live somewhere

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else you had to live in that ghetto yeah

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the walls were not made out of brick and

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mortar we've seen that before but but

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ridicule

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i i realized that and i knew that i had

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been tossed into that ghetto that didn't

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mean you had to act

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like you were in an intellectual ghetto

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right but not surprisingly for a lot of

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that by playing that role

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without intention

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i realized is look

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these walls are made out of ridicule not

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brick and mortar

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and so i'm going to act as if there are

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i'm going to treat the issue the way

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it's supposed to be treated i'm going to

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act in that fashion

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and see how that goes now what does that

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uh you don't

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apologize

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you you make clear assertions

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and so

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i tried to change the language over the

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years because the language that existed

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regarding this issue when i entered 96

295
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was pretty much the language that the

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the truth embargo managers wanted

297
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yeah in other words you were supposed to

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say certain things in certain ways

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and at the center of this was the

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acronym ufo

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ufo was the key to the door to the

302
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ghetto once you said ufo boom you're in

303
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and so i try to move away from that i

304
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tried to act

305
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as if this is a legitimate issue and i

306
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wouldn't accept

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those that wanted to

308
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deny that in a sense in other words deny

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me the ability to act that way

310
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it's complicated but uh this is how i i

311
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approached it

312
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and so registering as a lobbyist was a

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way to do that in other words this is an

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issue of great importance why isn't

315
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there a lobbyist

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every other issue you imagine it has one

317
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well i i

318
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know

319
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yeah

320
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i mean 1997 i mean one year later from

321
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well i suppose that first year you're

322
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talking about 95 but through 96 with

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paradigm research but into 97 were the

324
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press and congressional briefings with

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cct

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dr greer but also francis barwood with

327
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phoenix the phoenix lights case like can

328
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you just

329
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talk to talk a little bit on on those

330
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kind of things and how that kind of how

331
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you moved into those areas

332
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well

333
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yeah again when i say that 96 was kind

334
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of a turning point

335
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um a significant turning point

336
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in this issue in many many ways and the

337
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history will show this

338
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uh first of all

339
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bill clinton

340
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uh i'm sorry

341
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as of 96 the the the

342
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rockefeller initiative

343
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was wrapping up

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uh during the year that i entered this

345
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field all right and it was i come in and

346
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in july of 96 the rockefeller initiative

347
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been going on since march of 1993 but no

348
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one knew about it

349
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virtually not not publicly known

350
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although it wasn't a secret

351
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and so that that

352
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that created a basis for the political

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engagement but i didn't even know it

354
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so that that was wrapping up

355
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uh he won the election

356
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then the phoenix light events lights

357
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events take place i think it's march of

358
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97. that was significant

359
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some very important developments were

360
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happening just as i'm coming into the

361
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field

362
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uh francis barwood is the political

363
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response to that she

364
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uh became very well known because she

365
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did the right thing she simply pointed

366
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out why aren't we hearing about this why

367
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why aren't we talking about this in the

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city council of phoenix and they didn't

369
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want to do that but she went public and

370
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got a lot of press

371
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and uh that that was a political

372
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response i i engaged with her talk with

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her

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uh so that was happening and

375
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and then something else was happening

376
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very important at that time

377
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it was the rise of art bill

378
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right now was a long-standing radio

379
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personality who had been doing talk

380
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shows forever he was pro

381
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a lot of a lot of his stuff had been

382
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political he was sick of politics he

383
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decided to try another genre

384
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and in a way responding to i think what

385
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he saw as developments

386
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he

387
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things however it it not surprisingly

388
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the et issue

389
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really was dominating it was the key

390
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issue

391
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and he was successful he had a

392
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successful show with a very large

393
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audience and so circa the mid 1990s

394
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particularly 96 97 98

395
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all of a sudden

396
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people like myself had this program that

397
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could go on

398
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[Music]

399
00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:41,040
and talk for hours i think one i think

400
00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:42,720
he was doing a five-hour show there for

401
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a while i believe at least four might

402
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have been five

403
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and so

404
00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:48,959
uh if you wanted to talk about the

405
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,959
politics of this subject

406
00:14:55,189 --> 00:14:52,720
for the first time really ever though

407
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:55,199
there were a couple of shows in the past

408
00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:57,199
but certainly nothing like this audience

409
00:15:01,189 --> 00:14:59,040
where you could go on and talk about two

410
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:01,199
hours about this

411
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:03,360
and he allowed it to happen in other

412
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:06,320
words art didn't like politics but the

413
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:08,560
politics of i guess you guys et issue

414
00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:10,880
was another matter and so i started

415
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:13,279
going on the art bell show as did others

416
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,519
and and now all of a sudden we had this

417
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,760
multi-million audience that we could

418
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present these ids to

419
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they can see them into the public

420
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mindset

421
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about the fact that

422
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as i said earlier

423
00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:29,360
the problem folks why you're not having

424
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:32,399
hearing the truth from the us government

425
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is not because there's not enough

426
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evidence

427
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:37,120
it's because the government has a policy

428
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,560
not to tell you

429
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:40,480
and i came up with the name for that

430
00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:43,360
policy called the truth embargo

431
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,680
and then that was a language issue

432
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:46,720
again

433
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,360
activism is very much about language if

434
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,600
you need the accurate correct language

435
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:53,440
in order to move things forward if you

436
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:55,600
use the language the government provides

437
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:58,240
to you you're serving their policy not

438
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:00,880
yours and so ufo cover up serve the

439
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,800
government's embargo

440
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:04,800
because it was it was it was a missed

441
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,759
the mark

442
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:07,680
it criminalized the people inside the

443
00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:09,279
national security structures that are

444
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:10,560
defending the country that just

445
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:13,120
alienates them then it wasn't true plus

446
00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:16,240
it had ufo in it which was the the core

447
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:19,120
the center piece of the uh of the

448
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,720
ridicule process

449
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:23,040
so i came up with the term truth embargo

450
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:24,880
which is what it is

451
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,880
and i'm putting that out initially

452
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:29,040
though we talked about the politics of

453
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,720
ufos

454
00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:33,120
and then i came up with another term

455
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:34,399
disclosure

456
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:39,920
stephen greer put that in play all

457
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:42,240
through the early 90s yeah with the

458
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,320
disclosure project

459
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:46,560
and he's referring to the process of

460
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,360
disclosure to get the information out

461
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:51,920
right i came up with the concept of

462
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:54,639
capital d disclosure

463
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:55,600
meaning

464
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,000
what's that it's not the process it's

465
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,720
the event it is the moment that we get

466
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,480
the confirmation from the united states

467
00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:03,600
president

468
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,679
and so first we were talking on the art

469
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:07,919
bill show that the politics of ufos then

470
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:10,160
it was the politics of disclosure

471
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:11,360
capital d

472
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,559
right

473
00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:15,039
and then truth embargo

474
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:17,199
and so that was happening in the 90s as

475
00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:18,720
well art

476
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,280
will i hope historically get

477
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:23,679
the credit he deserves

478
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:26,319
for playing the role that he played

479
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,640
and helping to bring this embargo to an

480
00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:30,720
end now he was an entertainer he was

481
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,440
doing it to service the show but i think

482
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,280
deep down art knew that that truth

483
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:37,440
embargo was wrong and that what he was

484
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,559
doing there and the people he was

485
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:40,080
bringing on were helping to end that

486
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,360
policy and uh i hope that uh well he

487
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:44,880
gets the credit for

488
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:48,000
for that yeah that i think it's deserved

489
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,679
i mean like you say he was an

490
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:50,960
entertainer but he was still an

491
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,880
important figure within the field

492
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:54,000
speaking to the right people and

493
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:55,840
bringing the message forward in my

494
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:56,960
opinion

495
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,240
and

496
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,000
so yeah can you just take us forward a

497
00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:02,240
little bit to when dr greer obviously

498
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,480
did that important work in 2001 with the

499
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,360
disclosure project conference and

500
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:09,440
what you felt and what your involvement

501
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,320
was and did you see that as something

502
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:14,960
like like a big step forward uh in in

503
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:17,440
the whole subject oh yes uh the

504
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:19,520
milestone event

505
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:22,400
greer's work started in the late 1980s i

506
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:23,840
i was never

507
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,160
a part of his organization

508
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,320
i was simply a activist working on my

509
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:30,559
own uh uh thread right

510
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,960
but i was certainly aware of him

511
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:35,440
we had some communication uh but i knew

512
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:37,120
that he'd started in the early late

513
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,720
1980s

514
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:40,320
and i knew that he was doing contact

515
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:41,120
work

516
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:43,600
because he's a contactee

517
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:46,000
so that was pretty interesting so i was

518
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:47,520
paying attention to that

519
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:48,880
but he

520
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:51,760
he he was serious he had resources he

521
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,160
had very substantial resources so he was

522
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,480
able to create organizations and do

523
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,559
things that i certainly couldn't do so

524
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,480
he was the major player in my view in

525
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,000
terms of the what i'll call the

526
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,000
disclosure small d process

527
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,000
yeah and that continued to develop all

528
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,960
through the 1990s eventually

529
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,720
he got an art bell and i think i was the

530
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,640
one that brought him on i think

531
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:14,480
his first appearance was a program i

532
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:17,360
produced for our but i'm not certain

533
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:19,280
where i would i told art look let's

534
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,799
bring on so and so and so and so and

535
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:23,280
we'll we'll have a three-way or whatever

536
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,000
and art sure right fine

537
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:28,000
you want to do that we'll do that

538
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,799
uh

539
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:30,960
the culmination not the culmination but

540
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:33,120
the the the most significant thing he

541
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,000
did

542
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,640
clearly came in 2001. so he'd already

543
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:38,080
been involved in the field for about 12

544
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:38,880
years

545
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,520
and he had the resources and so he he

546
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,520
went out and started filming witnesses

547
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:45,679
he got into the witness issue

548
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,480
uh which was very significant but that

549
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:50,160
required resources if you're going to be

550
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,200
going around the country and you're

551
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:52,960
going to be setting up an interviewing

552
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:55,760
not one two ten twenty but maybe 80 90

553
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,320
100 or more witnesses that is a lot of

554
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,880
money so he spent many tens of thousands

555
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:02,799
of dollars getting these interviews

556
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,760
together

557
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,120
and then

558
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,280
he and he was focusing on not just

559
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,120
anybody particularly

560
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,600
people associated with the military or

561
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,600
military intense defense complex

562
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,360
whatever

563
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,120
corporate otherwise

564
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,960
and then he he

565
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,280
first of all he he has the bulk

566
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,280
footage and he condensed that bulk

567
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,240
footage down into a greatest hit

568
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:28,240
and then spent substantial amount of

569
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,919
money to hold a significant press

570
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,200
conference at the national press club

571
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,520
this is may the 9th 2001.

572
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:35,280
now i was in washington so i was aware

573
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,159
of it

574
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,960
uh i i participated a little bit i

575
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,720
helped a little bit but i was not

576
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,600
formally part of the project i guess you

577
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,600
could say yeah it helped a little bit

578
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,200
that that's as far as my involvement

579
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,799
went and i was there

580
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:49,760
uh

581
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,960
and in the press club that day

582
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,960
and i knew it was important i knew that

583
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:57,120
this was never been done before nothing

584
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,720
like this had ever been done before it

585
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,240
was the largest press conference ever

586
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,159
held there at the time it was in the

587
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:04,480
main ballroom of the national press club

588
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,000
which is two blocks from the white house

589
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,159
and uh there were eight i think roughly

590
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,640
18 witnesses on the stage greer

591
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,440
uh was obviously a moderator as well as

592
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,039
a well-known actor

593
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,200
whose name escapes me right now john

594
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,640
oh i can't remember the second name but

595
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,320
he was well known actor he was part of

596
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,520
it so so the press got a

597
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:27,200
substantial

598
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:28,159
uh

599
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,000
and these witnesses all and there's

600
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,679
something very important about this that

601
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,440
some people have forgotten

602
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,919
and it's very very probably done greer

603
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,440
made sure that all the witnesses said

604
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:44,000
when they finished their five minutes of

605
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:44,720
the

606
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,159
would testify to this before congress

607
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,760
under oath

608
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,360
because he was trying to get hearings

609
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,440
we've always been trying to get hearings

610
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:57,200
and in addition to that i mean he had

611
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,480
been working to try to get hearings

612
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,200
prior to 2001 he'd been up on the hill

613
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,120
meeting here a meeting there

614
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,240
he held a um an event at that at a hotel

615
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,799
i can't remember the name of the hotel

616
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,240
but it was in washington a couple of

617
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,400
years prior to that

618
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:14,240
and he wasn't getting the hearings but

619
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,360
this event

620
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,039
was another step in that direction so in

621
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,720
addition to holding the event that day

622
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:20,159
they also went up on the hill some of

623
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,000
these witnesses were in town and they

624
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,080
met with some of the members of congress

625
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:27,039
so this was a significant event

626
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,000
and

627
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,880
uh on a personal note

628
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,320
i

629
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,520
uh

630
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:36,159
i rece how did it work one of one of the

631
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,039
people

632
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,799
that i was working with

633
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,640
uh keith

634
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:41,919
uh morgan

635
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,760
he he was a a tech he was a long time uh

636
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:48,159
a tech person working with nightline and

637
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,200
ted complete new ted couple well

638
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,280
and when the tapes were given out the

639
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,559
the

640
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:55,919
you know it was like a

641
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,760
a four hour dvd tape of

642
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,320
of a compilation of witness testimony to

643
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,080
support the event

644
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,440
he grabbed one and he ran out

645
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,000
uh left the press club and ram literally

646
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,480
ran up to the abc news which is not that

647
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,679
far away

648
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,039
high street i think and so he goes up

649
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,240
there any any he goes up to the the

650
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,240
ted's office walks in and hands him the

651
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,880
tape and says you gotta see this

652
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:24,320
well that was cool

653
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,760
yeah and then later that night

654
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,080
when we were over to hotel

655
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,400
uh he gets a call

656
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,320
and he tells me he says i just got a

657
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,559
call from abc they said that they would

658
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,960
like for the names of four witnesses to

659
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,600
focus on to interview and that's a big

660
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,000
deal yeah and so i then conveyed that

661
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:46,400
message to greer and then he came back

662
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,760
with a note which i then handed to keith

663
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,919
uh with the names of i think at least

664
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,679
four witnesses meaning these are the

665
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,120
ones you don't talk to and i think he

666
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,720
added edgar mitchell

667
00:24:03,830 --> 00:23:59,360
who wasn't present that day but he added

668
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,840
into that list and he went off with that

669
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,919
and so uh we were under the assumption

670
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:07,520
that uh

671
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:08,559
some of these people would be

672
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,400
interviewed very soon by abc news

673
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,760
and so

674
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,600
as of the evening of

675
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:16,840
may 9th

676
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,240
2001 everyone involved

677
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,120
uh was in a high wearing high spirits

678
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,559
uh we thought this was a major

679
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,840
breakthrough

680
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,240
we saw we saw significant media

681
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,840
developments coming from this there was

682
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,600
a substantial amount of coverage rsu

683
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,200
there there was a huge number of press

684
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:35,760
there a lot of foreign press as well

685
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,440
absolutely and uh all was good

686
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,400
but history unfortunately has a lot of

687
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,159
moving parts

688
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:46,720
in fact history is the bane

689
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,760
of the activists existence

690
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,000
whatever you're involved in

691
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,000
however big the movement however

692
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,080
important the issue

693
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,520
you are at the mercy of history

694
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:00,720
and

695
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,600
whatever plans you you have

696
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,200
you have to operate on the assumption

697
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,200
that at any moment those plans have been

698
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,520
completely thrown up in the air

699
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,559
and what happened in this case a tragedy

700
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,440
on so many levels i cannot tell you

701
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,159
uh but one of the things that were

702
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,799
affected uh tragically was this

703
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,679
uh

704
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:23,600
when 911 took place just four months

705
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,120
later may 9th june july august september

706
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,320
almost four months to the day later

707
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,600
everything that grier was trying to do

708
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,080
media coverage hearings anything like

709
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:38,080
that was completely

710
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,440
obliterated

711
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,559
it was simply not going to happen

712
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,880
and who knew when

713
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:47,039
this issue might get the kind of

714
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,320
attention

715
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:51,039
we wanted it to get who knew

716
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,799
so that was the way it was uh

717
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,360
and then we had to recover from that and

718
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,200
figure out how to move forward

719
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,840
that in and that event nine nine eleven

720
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,919
eleven

721
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,440
uh

722
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,320
guarantee i think at least added

723
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,600
god

724
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:12,480
six seven eight more years to the truth

725
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,760
embargo

726
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,039
uh i'm sorry let me let me see if i get

727
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,279
there by 2001. oh yeah at least eight

728
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:19,279
maybe even ten years to the to the truth

729
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,240
in barbara in other words the truth

730
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,640
embargo the moment that event took place

731
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:24,720
the truth embargo had 10 years added to

732
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,080
it at least maybe even 15 meaning that

733
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,480
whatever however things are going to go

734
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,480
the true embargo was going to last 15

735
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,880
more years than you thought it was wow

736
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,960
that's exactly what happened but was it

737
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,440
not 2003 only a couple of years later

738
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,679
the the paradigm research group

739
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,760
proposed initially

740
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,360
uh the project

741
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,440
citizen hearing project let's say where

742
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,600
you would conduct the week-long

743
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,520
you know hearings in washington with

744
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,679
members of house and senate was that not

745
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,679
just two years after that or was that

746
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,520
something that you did propose but it

747
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,919
didn't come to fruition for a long long

748
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,559
time yeah i came up with the idea

749
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,240
uh i was

750
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:06,559
again this stems from

751
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,590
was connected to the press club i didn't

752
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,600
join until later but i was going up

753
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,880
there all the time because i had

754
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,720
connections there i was going to

755
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,520
meetings so i i i knew the press club

756
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,880
eventually i joined and i'm still a

757
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,799
member but uh

758
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,440
i i i came up with the idea okay he held

759
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,679
a press conference in that main ballroom

760
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,600
two blocks from washington from the

761
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,720
capitol

762
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:31,919
i'm sorry

763
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,149
oh that and that that's that was that's

764
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,200
a powerful setting that ballroom and i

765
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,000
thought what what if instead of a press

766
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,679
conference what if we held a mock

767
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,279
congressional hearing

768
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,720
what if we had former members of

769
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,720
congress come in and we set the room up

770
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,240
like a hearing room

771
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,159
on the hill capitol hill

772
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:56,480
and brought in witnesses to testify to

773
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,360
them

774
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,960
and made it look as much like a hearing

775
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,559
as possible i thought this was a

776
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,559
wonderful idea

777
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,919
now keep in mind i don't have any money

778
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:05,520
at all

779
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,880
i i have i i had a couple of infusions

780
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,720
of money over the years that were

781
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,640
substantial mostly was just enough to

782
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:16,399
keep me alive keep me going

783
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,120
yeah

784
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:19,200
it was a great idea

785
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,320
but it was

786
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,320
i thought two to three hundred thousand

787
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,080
dollar project

788
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,080
and so i

789
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,679
put up a website

790
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,320
uh put it up on the net my website work

791
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,640
back then was awful but whatever and and

792
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,799
i talked it up a little bit and i talked

793
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:37,120
about it on on i think art bill or what

794
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:38,159
have you

795
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:39,200
um

796
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:39,919
and

797
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:42,559
but it didn't go anywhere uh i wasn't

798
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:46,159
there was i i i just didn't have the

799
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,360
chops

800
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,840
to go out now i'm not saying like

801
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,600
somebody else couldn't have done it i i

802
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:54,080
just i wasn't able to get that thing

803
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,960
going

804
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,679
and so it was an idea that i would

805
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:59,360
occasionally revisit

806
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,240
over

807
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,640
the subsequent years

808
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,240
it finally happened because a

809
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,720
substantial infusion of money i

810
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,880
was able to bring a substantial mute a

811
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,039
bit of money to the table

812
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:12,960
from a philanthropist and that was in

813
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:15,679
2012 so that was like nine years later

814
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,799
so the idea was there in 2003 but it had

815
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,200
zero impact uh there was not it wasn't

816
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,679
affecting the the processes there were

817
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,200
other things i was doing that had more

818
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,440
effect

819
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,679
that's interesting yeah but then we i

820
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:32,000
mean we all know i think a lot of people

821
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,960
i know

822
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:35,120
know about 2013 with the citizen hearing

823
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,559
on disclosure which is

824
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,520
you know the kind of thing that you were

825
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,520
talking about 10 years earlier but even

826
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,279
in between that time we're talking about

827
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,440
the x conference

828
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,120
the million facts on washington xo

829
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,159
politics world network

830
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,600
did

831
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,120
i mean you were obviously involved in so

832
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,720
many things in that 10-year period

833
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,159
before you got the citizen hearing on

834
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,240
disclosure like was that something that

835
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,440
you

836
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,600
found worked quite easily or was it

837
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,440
always every year a difficult thing to

838
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,440
kind of get to that point and then do

839
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:05,679
the next thing and the next thing

840
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,840
everything was

841
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,399
difficult

842
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:09,600
i i

843
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:14,559
uh

844
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,559
in my life that i would end up as an

845
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:23,360
activist on the et issue

846
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,399
uh

847
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,880
i was just getting along to go along

848
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:29,520
yeah it was i was

849
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,320
just

850
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,240
not not accomplishing very much i was

851
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,320
not living up to my potential let's just

852
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,480
say that did you feel like you were

853
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:38,000
involved though did you feel like you

854
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,039
were

855
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,960
pounding the same doors as other people

856
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,120
in the subject oh oh in the subject i'm

857
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:45,600
saying prior to entering the field right

858
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,320
right

859
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:47,760
in 96

860
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,440
uh i had no idea that this was coming

861
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,440
and

862
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,279
hang on um

863
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,360
and so i made a fatal mistake i failed

864
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,630
if i had lived up to my potential

865
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,039
i might have been a very successful

866
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,640
entrepreneur

867
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,240
i might have become a

868
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,840
a professor

869
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,679
in science or physics or something and

870
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,600
made decent money invested in real

871
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,600
estate whatever the hell yeah i didn't

872
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,880
do that

873
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,399
and so as a result when i entered the

874
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,559
field i had nothing and by nothing i

875
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,880
mean nothing all right

876
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,120
except i had a place to live i had a

877
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,799
free place to live because i have family

878
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:29,440
in washington dc right and so i was

879
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,760
operating as the lone independent poor

880
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:35,679
rogue activist

881
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:38,559
which uh theoretically

882
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,159
is got zero chance of doing anything

883
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,240
except becoming very

884
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,960
eccentric

885
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,640
so uh

886
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:50,799
at the moment that i made that decision

887
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,799
to get involved by going to cambridge

888
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,559
one could make the case

889
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,519
well that's pretty much the end of your

890
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,159
your life okay because uh you're barely

891
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,760
getting along as it is this isn't going

892
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,600
to go anywhere and things are going to

893
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,200
end badly for you

894
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:08,399
however

895
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,679
there was something else going on that i

896
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:14,480
obviously came to realize and that was

897
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:15,440
this

898
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:18,320
at the time that i entered in 96

899
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,960
was the dawn of the age of the internet

900
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:25,600
and ultimately social media

901
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,669
for better or for worse

902
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,200
the internet

903
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,200
made it possible

904
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:39,600
for a very poor

905
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,279
single person right individual

906
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,880
to pursue activism

907
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:46,080
[Music]

908
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:49,919
from a basement or an addict

909
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,640
and actually have impact

910
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,840
right you also have

911
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,600
broadcast.com you had internet radio

912
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,799
developing along with broadcast radio

913
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,799
and so all of a sudden

914
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,360
you could interview from your basement

915
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:07,279
or your attic office

916
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,360
uh and reach an audience uh you could um

917
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,440
uh put up a website

918
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,720
and reach an audience and then

919
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,799
eventually you could get on twitter and

920
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,679
so

921
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,960
the age

922
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,519
of the individual

923
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,880
influencer

924
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,840
starts to happen right as i come into

925
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:26,960
the field

926
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,640
and while i was you know a computer whiz

927
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,200
i i sort of got that

928
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,679
and i rode that wave

929
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,000
uh and so

930
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:39,840
i was able to

931
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,399
to have impact even though i didn't have

932
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,919
any money but the impact was still

933
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,120
limited

934
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,559
um

935
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:47,919
and so

936
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,559
i i got lucky in that regard

937
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:52,480
so everything that i've done in this

938
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,679
field

939
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:56,000
is up on my website there it's a lot of

940
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,440
stuff there and you can one can go and

941
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,720
review it all

942
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,799
yeah and one could make a case it wasn't

943
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,559
very much one could also make the case

944
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,320
that given that i the how few little

945
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,000
money i had it was amazing it doesn't

946
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,600
really matter the point is is i did what

947
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,440
i did to try to help out

948
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,720
and uh

949
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,639
uh

950
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,760
and and

951
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,520
and stuck with it

952
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,359
meaning that

953
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:19,280
it

954
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,800
um being smart helps

955
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,159
money helps

956
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,760
all right

957
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,560
but if you want to see an activist

958
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:32,320
movement of

959
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,240
major importance to conclusion

960
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,720
the two most important things you need

961
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,520
are patience and perseverance

962
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,919
history is filled with people

963
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,440
with skill

964
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,359
with resources

965
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,919
uh opportunity

966
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,919
who failed

967
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:54,079
because they had those things but they

968
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,599
didn't have the patience and they didn't

969
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,240
have the perseverance and they could not

970
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:59,839
stick it out

971
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:00,640
uh

972
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,320
i had that and so 24 years later i'm

973
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,520
still here

974
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,160
as we approach finally the resolution of

975
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,839
the et issue

976
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:11,839
and for that and and i was able to stay

977
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,760
healthy so i i i have no regrets about

978
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,280
not having the resources that would

979
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,680
allow me to do a whole lot more or not

980
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,720
being

981
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,720
uh able to

982
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,359
to not being as driven as like as i

983
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,960
could have been not accomplishing more i

984
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,119
could have done a lot more but i have my

985
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,960
limitations like anybody else but you

986
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,040
must understand that from an outside

987
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,640
outside perspective from people like

988
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,640
myself like we look at yourself from the

989
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,640
work you've done over the years and it's

990
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,760
phenomenal

991
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,200
for the subject

992
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,839
you know it's

993
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,720
easy it's difficult looking from the

994
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,119
inside out and things like that you know

995
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:49,599
i have colleagues that have done more uh

996
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,000
and uh i i recognize them and and i also

997
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,160
am a cheerleader for

998
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,079
the extraterrestrial phenomena research

999
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,640
activists world because

1000
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,720
i understood early on that everyone was

1001
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,640
in this intellectual ghetto

1002
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,680
and when you're in the intellectual

1003
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,359
ghetto you don't get awards you don't

1004
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,440
get acknowledgement uh you're treated

1005
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,520
badly you can't get the press coverage

1006
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,400
you want

1007
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,160
uh and so

1008
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,480
one of the things i set out to do is

1009
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,560
uh acknowledge

1010
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,480
give give these people the

1011
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,720
acknowledgement that they deserve

1012
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,480
uh and in whatever way that i might do

1013
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,640
that one of the ways i did that was uh i

1014
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:28,880
held 6x conferences in the washington dc

1015
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,760
area yeah exo politics conferences they

1016
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,320
were the first

1017
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,800
um eventually there were others but

1018
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,640
the first and only ones held in the

1019
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,560
washington dc area

1020
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,040
and we had an awards banquet obviously

1021
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,560
and i gave out awards to people in the

1022
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,200
field it was the most fun part of it

1023
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:48,880
it's the thing i missed the most the

1024
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,520
last one was 2010. i would have loved to

1025
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,119
have done

1026
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,000
10 more but unfortunately

1027
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,000
they all lost money and

1028
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,880
it was just impossible i couldn't do it

1029
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,640
uh so

1030
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,079
giving out awards and other things to

1031
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,200
the websites i acknowledge to try to

1032
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,400
to

1033
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,280
the issue

1034
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,640
these people will eventually be

1035
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,320
acknowledged in history

1036
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:16,560
the stanton friedmans the richard dolans

1037
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,480
the the keos the the of course john max

1038
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,320
um

1039
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:24,000
and so many others

1040
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,880
yeah

1041
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,320
are going to eventually be acknowledged

1042
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,920
in history

1043
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,839
uh some of them have not lived to see

1044
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:31,599
that acknowledgment because this truth

1045
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,640
embargo is now 74 years on

1046
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,560
i actually have a page on my website the

1047
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,280
in memoriam section where i have uh

1048
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,800
tried to acknowledge

1049
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,280
these people and uh and and put up a

1050
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:45,200
chronology of their passing

1051
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,320
uh

1052
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,839
but there's still

1053
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,920
time for the people in the field to the

1054
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,280
people that feel that are alive today

1055
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,040
are probably going to see disclosure

1056
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,040
very soon and also get that

1057
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,280
acknowledgement so again i've had a kind

1058
00:38:03,109 --> 00:37:59,440
of a complex history here

1059
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,119
uh but in terms of what we'll call

1060
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:04,400
just

1061
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,200
um

1062
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,800
how can i put it

1063
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,400
uh

1064
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,599
in terms of sheer output

1065
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,440
of work

1066
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,640
greer is

1067
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:17,040
way far ahead of me way far i mean my

1068
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,640
god he's written three or four books

1069
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,680
he's done

1070
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,920
four or five documentaries

1071
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,240
stanton friedman did research for 40

1072
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:25,920
years lyndon moulton howe has been doing

1073
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:28,560
research for 40 to 45 years

1074
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,520
uh

1075
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,960
and so forth and so there are people out

1076
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,880
there that the sheer output of their

1077
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,839
work

1078
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,520
is extraordinary and they should have

1079
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,000
really big

1080
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,839
wikipedia pages

1081
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,520
do you feel that greer has somehow kind

1082
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,200
of dropped off i know he's getting a lot

1083
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,040
of backlash recently within the field of

1084
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,520
ufology for some of the things he's done

1085
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:49,920
recently have you seen any of that i've

1086
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,480
always you know he's been kind of

1087
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,800
let's say mudslinging people like luella

1088
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,640
zondo and things like that is that

1089
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,480
something you've seen and do you have an

1090
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,720
opinion on that i pay attention to

1091
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:03,839
everything that's going on good um

1092
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:06,880
vinnie it's not the field of ethology

1093
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,839
it is the field of extraterrestrial

1094
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,200
research

1095
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:13,119
right activism

1096
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:16,480
ufo and ufology has to go that's not

1097
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:21,200
what it is all right yeah so uh

1098
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,240
and so

1099
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,480
uh

1100
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:26,160
greer

1101
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,040
extremely important he has an enormous

1102
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,119
amount of output he has done a lot of

1103
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,920
stuff he has done a lot of things he is

1104
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,760
essentially an activist i don't know if

1105
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,839
he thinks of himself as an activist

1106
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,079
right let me tell you something about

1107
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:44,640
activism all right

1108
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,480
you don't pursue it without controversy

1109
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,880
and the more you do

1110
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,200
the more controversy you create

1111
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:55,440
yeah and so the fact that he is

1112
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:59,040
controversial shouldn't surprise anybody

1113
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,920
all right

1114
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,160
and so uh

1115
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,880
my uh my attitude about all these things

1116
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,240
is this

1117
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,760
there are a lot of people pursuing

1118
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:10,160
disclosure of the extraterrestrial issue

1119
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,520
and they're doing it in the way that

1120
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,680
they feel they need to do it yeah and

1121
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,160
that's what matters to me getting into

1122
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,960
the details or was that a good idea was

1123
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,560
this a good idea are you like just like

1124
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,240
that you care less

1125
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,079
i'm interested in is the disclosure

1126
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,480
process being advanced and there's no

1127
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,839
question that he has advanced the

1128
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,520
disclosure process

1129
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:31,200
and i'll add this it's a phrase that i

1130
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,640
view it's a it's a

1131
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:35,280
story not a story but a phrase

1132
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,839
what is it

1133
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,599
a i can't think of it anyway i'd say

1134
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,000
something i've said many times

1135
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:44,079
if if you want to take the activist path

1136
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,119
there's some things you need to know

1137
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:47,599
here's one of those things

1138
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,480
if you're an activist on a major issue

1139
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,560
and that there are small issues and big

1140
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,520
issues

1141
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,880
that's not activism it is

1142
00:40:58,830 --> 00:40:58,480
sure but when you get up to the big

1143
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,840
level

1144
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,079
[Music]

1145
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,839
and we know what major activism is

1146
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,319
everybody knows what it is

1147
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,680
and you're an activist and you are wrong

1148
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,040
in other words you are

1149
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,680
pushing against authority

1150
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:13,839
to get them to do something and it's

1151
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,880
wrong

1152
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,280
it's not the right thing to do

1153
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,359
but it's you've decided that it is and

1154
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,800
you're pushing and there are plenty of

1155
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,119
activists out there doing that

1156
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,200
they are trying to get things that we do

1157
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,599
not want absolutely they're committed

1158
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,359
and you're wrong you are going to be

1159
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,119
disliked

1160
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,400
there's gonna be people that don't like

1161
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:34,880
you at all

1162
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,680
and if you're right

1163
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,200
they really

1164
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,800
won't like you

1165
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,480
are you following me here i'm following

1166
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,560
you 100 i get where you're coming from

1167
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,440
absolutely all right so i try i always

1168
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,240
try to keep that in mind

1169
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,480
and and not get too overwrought yeah

1170
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,640
because i think

1171
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:56,560
if someone re

1172
00:42:03,190 --> 00:41:59,680
let me this way uh

1173
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,200
i have a i because i've operated

1174
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,960
because i haven't put out that much

1175
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,800
output

1176
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,280
and and i haven't got that much exposure

1177
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,440
i mean i've gotten a decent amount but

1178
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,079
not not not as much as is i would have

1179
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,640
liked now that may change soon but again

1180
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,880
i'm operating from a low resource kind

1181
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,359
of independent rogue kind of thing

1182
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,760
and uh while i've used the internet

1183
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,160
substantially i didn't get on the social

1184
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,560
media bandwagon uh as soon as i should

1185
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,560
have and when i did

1186
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,720
i wasn't prepared to go to the links

1187
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,680
that

1188
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:35,599
people were going to to become quote

1189
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,119
social media influencers right okay um

1190
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,040
there's only a couple of ways to become

1191
00:42:47,309 --> 00:42:44,640
a true social media influencer one

1192
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,319
you need to be you you need to be

1193
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,440
extremely sharp at what you're doing i

1194
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,640
mean in other words you need to be

1195
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,119
outstanding yeah okay

1196
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,040
uh a genius

1197
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,880
or and have chops in other words you've

1198
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,960
got you've got a resume that's

1199
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:00,560
substantial and you're you're doing

1200
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:01,520
something

1201
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:02,480
uh

1202
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,349
okay you're right you're not wrong

1203
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,160
you're not wrong uh and and there are a

1204
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,720
couple of of influencers out there that

1205
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,680
are both

1206
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,839
we have serious chops they're

1207
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,240
outstanding and they're outrageous

1208
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,160
the future is unlimited i'm not gonna

1209
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,400
name names their future is unlimited but

1210
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,319
i was i couldn't i couldn't be

1211
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,720
outrageous and i didn't have the chop so

1212
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,640
i've only been able to use social media

1213
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,400
within to a certain point now that may

1214
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:32,960
change in the near future

1215
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,160
but again this is this is

1216
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,839
this is these are the these are the

1217
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,599
parameters that have shaped my

1218
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,720
involvement

1219
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,359
uh and uh i invite people to think about

1220
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,119
that as they consider other people in

1221
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,800
the field

1222
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,480
people in this field have made various

1223
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,920
contributions

1224
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,280
and and

1225
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,720
as you look at them understand that

1226
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:55,040
they're making these contributions from

1227
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,400
from the world that they're in from the

1228
00:44:03,670 --> 00:43:59,599
resources they have don't judge people

1229
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:03,680
on how big their contribution was or how

1230
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,560
much they they could have done

1231
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,920
don't judge them at all but acknowledge

1232
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,319
them and and if they're if they are

1233
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,240
trying to end this truth embargo

1234
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,280
whatever they're doing is righteous

1235
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,920
and respect that and acknowledge that

1236
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,599
and that would be that's that's the way

1237
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,240
to go yeah absolutely so let's just jump

1238
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,839
forward quite a few years obviously to

1239
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,640
2017 which is kind of the standout day

1240
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,800
that everybody knows about december with

1241
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,040
the new york times politico washington

1242
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,839
post story you know a tip and all that

1243
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,000
did you feel did you get any kind of

1244
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,520
excitement at that time was that

1245
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,200
something that you

1246
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,119
grabbed hold of and thought here we go

1247
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,839
we're now stepping up a gear

1248
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,560
oh god yes

1249
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:49,680
if you

1250
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,510
the major miles well they're the the

1251
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,359
major positive there there's some

1252
00:45:02,710 --> 00:44:59,839
negative milestones and

1253
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,720
as you go back to 1947. sure let's put

1254
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,200
those aside let's talk about

1255
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,680
the most positive milestones in the

1256
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,839
history of the disclosure movement

1257
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,720
disclosure capital d the move to get the

1258
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,240
confirmation of the e.t presence from

1259
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,839
the us government who has known about

1260
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,400
the e.t presidents since absolutely no

1261
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,040
later than july of 1947.

1262
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,720
and it's very possible that there are

1263
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,160
people within our government that knew

1264
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:26,880
about the presence of et's before that

1265
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:30,319
possibly 19 early 1940s possibly even

1266
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,359
sooner but

1267
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,599
no later than 1947 which is good enough

1268
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,960
to make the point

1269
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:36,800
right

1270
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,000
the most positive milestones were one

1271
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,480
the end of the cold war

1272
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,680
quote the end of the formal end

1273
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,599
of the cold war as we knew it the cold

1274
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,359
war actually never ended

1275
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:52,000
but what we're in now is cold war ii

1276
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,160
so like world war one ended and then we

1277
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:56,960
had world war ii okay cold war one ended

1278
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,400
1991 1999-91 the end of that cold war

1279
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,400
was absolutely a major milestone in

1280
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,000
terms of being able to advance the

1281
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,319
disclosure movement the second major

1282
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,040
milestone was the rockefeller initiative

1283
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,800
the the development surrounding

1284
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,400
rockefeller's effort to get the clinton

1285
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,880
administration to release quote all the

1286
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,720
files well you release the files you end

1287
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,640
the truth embargo that was the second

1288
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:21,200
major uh milestone

1289
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,560
the third major milestone was greer's

1290
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,640
may 9th press conference in washington

1291
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:29,119
dc maina 2001

1292
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,079
all right

1293
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,599
that was

1294
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,839
a major milestone

1295
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:35,680
um

1296
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,920
next few years there were some

1297
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,560
significant press conferences leslie

1298
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,960
kane and james fox put on one

1299
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:46,079
uh

1300
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,760
on one again these are all at the press

1301
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,440
conference by the way that press club

1302
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:52,720
the national press club has played a

1303
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,119
very important role in this absolutely i

1304
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,560
i'll spend a lot of

1305
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,800
time in that book about that

1306
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,000
um

1307
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,680
so these are important

1308
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,280
without question

1309
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,839
uh the x conferences are important

1310
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,200
uh and many other conferences are

1311
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,000
turning up but i i would say

1312
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:14,560
the next major milestone

1313
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,200
was the citizen hearing on disclosure

1314
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,720
2013. absolutely

1315
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,359
and so there's that okay

1316
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:22,960
yeah uh

1317
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,630
i know what the next major milestone was

1318
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,440
supposed to be after that

1319
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,480
uh

1320
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,559
so the citizen hearing on disclosure was

1321
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,119
2013.

1322
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,920
the next major milestone

1323
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,839
was supposed to be the launch of the to

1324
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,240
the stars academy and the election of

1325
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,680
hillary clinton which were going to

1326
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,319
happen very close together

1327
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:50,480
all right it was going to be a one-two

1328
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,359
thing

1329
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,480
in other words

1330
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,240
suddenly the to the stars academy was

1331
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,359
going to put up a website hold a video

1332
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,440
and say we're here here's what we're

1333
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,319
going to do and everything that we saw

1334
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:03,920
possibly

1335
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:06,400
a couple of different personnel but wow

1336
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,990
late november 2016

1337
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,000
mid december 2000 could have been even

1338
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,280
as early as 2017 january

1339
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,520
but most likely before the inauguration

1340
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,960
of secretary hillary clinton is

1341
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,880
president of the united states and then

1342
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,119
she was going to get elected and it was

1343
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,200
and then all of that plus the media

1344
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,280
engagement was going to come together

1345
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,359
setting the stage for her to

1346
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,920
to encourage

1347
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,599
right to congress because she can't

1348
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,800
demand it

1349
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,319
encourage the committees of the congress

1350
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,680
to start holding the hearings that we've

1351
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,200
been trying to get all these years that

1352
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,880
would have led to the end of the truth

1353
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,680
embargo probably the spring of 2017.

1354
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:50,400
that was supposed to be the next major

1355
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,160
milestone yeah it didn't happen

1356
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:56,000
as we know

1357
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,040
okay

1358
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,359
what happened was that milestone was put

1359
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,280
off for 11 months

1360
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,440
and so the to the stars academy of arts

1361
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,200
and science

1362
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,880
it could have had another name that's an

1363
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,640
interesting name some people

1364
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,720
don't like it it doesn't really matter

1365
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,079
the point is

1366
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,920
what it was and who was in it the two

1367
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:15,280
the stars accounting was launched on

1368
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,200
october 11th 2017 as opposed to

1369
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,200
uh 2016.

1370
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:22,800
and the new york times articles came in

1371
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,760
december of 2017 as opposed to 2016.

1372
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:29,119
that

1373
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:35,920
milestone okay without question but it

1374
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:38,800
was the biggest one of all and in fact

1375
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,400
the day that i went to the website

1376
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,520
which was before i saw the video

1377
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,119
i think the website went up the video

1378
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,559
went up shortly thereafter they went up

1379
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,880
simultaneously i didn't see the

1380
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,640
but the moment i went to that website

1381
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,720
and i went through

1382
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,400
the personnel

1383
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,680
read the mission statement went through

1384
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,720
the personnel i instantly

1385
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,480
i mean i say new

1386
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:04,400
i guess you could say suspected but the

1387
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,670
what had just happened

1388
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,240
all right and i knew well this is the

1389
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:13,920
biggest event yet

1390
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,160
in the disclosure movement and what is

1391
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,480
it that i knew

1392
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:20,160
this is what i do

1393
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,150
the disclosure movement which i and so

1394
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,680
many other people have been involved in

1395
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:29,599
for so many years

1396
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,480
and tried to do what we could

1397
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,079
at that moment

1398
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,559
the disclosure movement the activist

1399
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:39,599
movement to get the u.s president

1400
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,480
to

1401
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,400
end the truth embargo

1402
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,280
which we always knew would be preceded

1403
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,680
by congressional hearings the real deal

1404
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,000
not some one day event like was built in

1405
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,190
was now being led by the military

1406
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,599
intelligence complex

1407
00:51:01,030 --> 00:51:00,240
right think about that okay

1408
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,040
yeah

1409
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,200
that's roughly the equivalent

1410
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,119
of gandhi

1411
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,599
seeing something in the news

1412
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,119
back in uh

1413
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,200
uh the uh

1414
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,599
uh you know aft just after the war say

1415
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,040
or even before the war but after world

1416
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,599
war ii 1946 thing for

1417
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,119
gandhi waking up one day and reading the

1418
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,280
news and realizing that the the effort

1419
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,599
the activists movement

1420
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:26,000
to get the british to leave india was

1421
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,440
being led

1422
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:29,680
by the british empire right that they

1423
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:32,319
were leaving it now okay the people that

1424
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:33,280
were

1425
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:38,800
now leading the movement to end their

1426
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:42,480
occupation uh it was that huge

1427
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,520
now

1428
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,599
when i say was being led by the military

1429
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,160
do i mean formally

1430
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,000
do i mean that the secretary of defense

1431
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,880
and the cia director and the head of

1432
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,599
nsa and all the joint chiefs have gotten

1433
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,359
together and decided it's time to end

1434
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,960
the truth embargo so let's let's do

1435
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,559
something about that

1436
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,440
oh no that's not what i mean at all

1437
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,200
what i mean is

1438
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:08,400
is that individuals

1439
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,160
within the military intelligence complex

1440
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,240
privately

1441
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,559
came to the realization that many many

1442
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,359
others i assure you had come to

1443
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,720
not simply in the in the in the in the

1444
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,720
21st century but in the 20th century

1445
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,640
going all the way back there have always

1446
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,000
been people

1447
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:30,640
uh within the military services within

1448
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:34,000
the intelligence services who privately

1449
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,880
felt

1450
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,839
that this embargo should not continue

1451
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,400
that the people should be told

1452
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,839
but so what

1453
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,440
right they can privately think whatever

1454
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,319
they want sure acting as another matter

1455
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,920
so

1456
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,520
at this but what we discovered then is

1457
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,880
these people would privately come to the

1458
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,040
conclusion that the truth embargo needed

1459
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,960
to end and that they were going to try

1460
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,440
to do something about it

1461
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,240
how many private individuals were

1462
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,559
involved in this

1463
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,200
process is not known in general the

1464
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,920
origin story of the ttsa is not known

1465
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:09,920
we've gotten the odd statement here and

1466
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,720
there

1467
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,119
yeah you could allowing you to connect a

1468
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,720
few dots but

1469
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,760
the

1470
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,280
origin story is not known eventually i

1471
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,680
hope it will be completely revealed

1472
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,280
history must know

1473
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:23,040
how this happened

1474
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,960
but yeah so was it 10 15 20 30 40 50.

1475
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,800
how many people were chatting with each

1476
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,599
other

1477
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,319
uh over the lunch table uh at the

1478
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:35,119
cafeteria at the pentagon the cia or

1479
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,720
over at the air force of the navy

1480
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,319
whatever pick an agency it doesn't

1481
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,160
matter how many people

1482
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,680
were talking to each other about

1483
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,920
should we continue to keep

1484
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,480
this from the american people don't know

1485
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,800
but we do know this

1486
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,079
ultimately

1487
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:54,240
10 agreed

1488
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,280
to be

1489
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,680
part of an organization

1490
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,480
that would be announced to the public

1491
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,640
with an agenda

1492
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,040
the mission statement

1493
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:07,200
which was interesting

1494
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,839
and uh

1495
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,599
bold when i read it i'm going well this

1496
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,680
is a mission statement this is not the

1497
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,640
agenda yeah right it's okay

1498
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,319
it may be that they will pursue these

1499
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,160
things particularly if they raise a

1500
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:21,520
great deal of money because they

1501
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,480
announced that they were a public

1502
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:24,160
benefit corporation that's fine

1503
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,359
they could have raised a hundred million

1504
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,800
dollars i mean things have gone

1505
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,400
differently but

1506
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,079
that was the mission statement wasn't

1507
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:31,440
the agenda

1508
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,599
truth embargo all right so

1509
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,799
these

1510
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,920
10 people

1511
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,520
are the ones that agreed that they would

1512
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:43,040
publicly

1513
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:44,640
come forward as part of that

1514
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:47,200
organization

1515
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,839
and that took a lot of guts a lot of

1516
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,760
courage most people have no idea

1517
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,359
what it meant for these people to do

1518
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,480
this

1519
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,480
and the critics and the debunkers and

1520
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,079
the skeptics and everybody else that are

1521
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,680
having their fun with this because they

1522
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,200
have a right to

1523
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,880
uh i don't think i've spent enough time

1524
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:07,200
reflecting on that but

1525
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,559
so there they were

1526
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,960
and we knew who they were

1527
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,280
and i'm going okay

1528
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,720
uh this

1529
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,640
so so now i'm saying okay this is a

1530
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,240
major event so now i'm waiting for a

1531
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,640
couple of things one i'm waiting for the

1532
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,240
reaction from the military intelligence

1533
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:23,599
complex

1534
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:25,359
because i knew

1535
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,160
that

1536
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,960
if the military intelligence complex

1537
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,119
wanted to shut this down they probably

1538
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,200
almost certainly could

1539
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,680
but it would have to move fast okay so

1540
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:37,680
i'm waiting for that reaction

1541
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,559
right

1542
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,559
and then secondly i'm waiting for their

1543
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,400
first move

1544
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,160
i mean they put up a website they put up

1545
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:45,599
a video they announced that they're

1546
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,799
going to try to raise some money as a

1547
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,319
public benefit corporation that's all

1548
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,400
fine but that's not the move that i'm

1549
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:51,920
looking for what is going to be their

1550
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,640
first move

1551
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:56,880
to pursue the agenda that i was quite

1552
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,799
sure that they were was on their plate

1553
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,200
and how long would it take

1554
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:05,680
now i was watching this from the uk

1555
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,240
tragically

1556
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,920
after the election

1557
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,440
right i was in a witness witness

1558
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,880
protection program

1559
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,599
so nobody could find it and so uh uh the

1560
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,760
point is is that i'm so and so when this

1561
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,960
breaks

1562
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,119
i'm not around

1563
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,520
and so i sat in the uk watching one of

1564
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:25,119
my colleagues after another being

1565
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,240
interviewed

1566
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:27,920
about what the hell was going on i never

1567
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:28,839
got a

1568
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,760
call and i really had been out of game

1569
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,359
for a while and i simply literally

1570
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:35,680
wasn't i was just not a player are you

1571
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,640
able to

1572
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,880
i mean sorry to interrupt that's blowing

1573
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,640
my mind you're in witness protection in

1574
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,839
the uk

1575
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,960
yeah

1576
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:45,760
can i no no that that's that's a joke

1577
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,000
vinny okay okay i i know i i just

1578
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,680
yeah that's a joke most people that know

1579
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,040
me knew that was a joke but i guess i

1580
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:54,799
need to clarify that don't that's okay

1581
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,000
because i did i didn't know and i it

1582
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,760
kind of took a few seconds for me to go

1583
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,280
hang on a minute hang on a minute i

1584
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,040
can't let that slide

1585
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:05,040
here is another analogy that's better

1586
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:06,000
okay

1587
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,119
you are at the most important soccer

1588
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,319
game in the history of the friggin uk

1589
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,440
soccer world okay you are at the field

1590
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:23,680
and the game is tied

1591
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:24,640
right

1592
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,480
okay it's in the last six minutes

1593
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,240
and you have to go to the bathroom so

1594
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:33,359
bad you can't stand it

1595
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:34,319
rush

1596
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,880
you're in there you're going as fast as

1597
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,400
you can and when you come back you

1598
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,400
discover that the winning goal has been

1599
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,839
made

1600
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,079
and that's it you weren't there you

1601
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,880
missed it that's the way it was i was i

1602
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,400
was in the bathroom when that when the

1603
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,119
winning goal was was was played and so

1604
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,599
uh i didn't and i and that was in uh

1605
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,839
that was in uh october i didn't get back

1606
00:58:02,630 --> 00:57:59,839
and i i finally got back to the us but

1607
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,640
it wasn't until february of 2018

1608
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,440
and by then i i i i've been clawing my

1609
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:06,640
way back

1610
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,920
into the game since the point is is that

1611
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:11,920
they did not disappoint

1612
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,670
all they did was

1613
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,200
uh

1614
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,359
get in touch with the new york times

1615
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,280
exactly how they went down that went

1616
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:25,040
down not clear but we were learning a

1617
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,240
little bit about it leslie kane

1618
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,839
apparently was important here might have

1619
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,760
been in the principal contact i don't

1620
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,839
know but one way or another

1621
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,839
what they wanted to do gets presented in

1622
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:34,960
the new york times

1623
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,760
this is a pretty interesting story uh

1624
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,240
and and and and uh launched into it and

1625
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,799
vetted it and and published the articles

1626
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,040
um december 16th

1627
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,200
and what they published

1628
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,359
what went up that day

1629
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,119
not just in the print but more

1630
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:55,040
importantly on the internet because

1631
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,400
remember the internet is now a major

1632
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:58,319
player yeah

1633
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:59,200
that

1634
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,319
could be

1635
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:02,240
the second milestone in other words you

1636
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,230
another major milestone perhaps the most

1637
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,240
important but then just two months later

1638
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,680
another milestone

1639
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,960
that the new york times because the new

1640
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,240
york times could have could have

1641
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,480
continued to say yeah yeah look it's

1642
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,400
your it's impressive

1643
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,920
and you know we know there's an e.t

1644
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,599
presence but you know we just don't want

1645
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,599
to go there i i can't tell you what

1646
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,119
whatever the hell no no no they

1647
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,559
published these articles

1648
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,000
which included

1649
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:30,480
right amongst other things

1650
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:31,760
the first

1651
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,160
pieces of gun camera footage on uap

1652
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,400
intercepts ever released by the united

1653
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,799
states government or any government

1654
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,240
anywhere

1655
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,359
there was a leak of the nimitz thing

1656
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,440
that got out to some french documentary

1657
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,680
team or something years back but it it

1658
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,799
and how that happened we don't even know

1659
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:50,079
but it wasn't official and it just came

1660
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,520
and went it was gone this was official

1661
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,599
and then that footage went up on the

1662
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,520
internet and has now been seen by how

1663
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:58,960
many hundreds of millions of people i

1664
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,839
can't imagine yeah that

1665
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,319
is a milestone all right so that is what

1666
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:06,880
took place december 16th

1667
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,880
and when i saw that i'm going okay

1668
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:12,000
uh

1669
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,440
we are we have crossed the rubicon

1670
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,240
we are in we have brought the movement

1671
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,079
into the city

1672
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:22,160
we are not going to go back there's not

1673
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:25,520
going to be a a a a um

1674
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:28,400
another 1969

1675
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,440
you're not going to be able to close

1676
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,359
this down shut this down back this up

1677
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:33,359
this is it we are now going towards

1678
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,559
disclosure

1679
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,640
on a straight line the only reason is

1680
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,440
how fast is are we going to go

1681
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:41,040
and at that point

1682
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:42,480
i realized that

1683
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,520
well

1684
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:46,000
the the number one

1685
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,839
factor in how fast this would unfold

1686
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,160
would be the political circumstances in

1687
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,760
the united states

1688
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,760
by and large not not elsewhere but in

1689
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,280
the united states

1690
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,839
what is the political circumstances here

1691
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,920
i mean that's where we find ourselves in

1692
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,839
today with everything that's happened in

1693
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,599
the last week or two with the

1694
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:08,160
authorization act for fiscal year 2022

1695
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,960
and the house and the select um i think

1696
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,359
it's the select proposals where they're

1697
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,200
talking about putting in this permanent

1698
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:17,680
ufo or uap office

1699
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,960
to replace this temporary uap task force

1700
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,319
is that something you think is going to

1701
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,559
get voted in are you you know where's

1702
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:26,559
your confidence lie well you jumped

1703
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,270
but now you have to understand

1704
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,280
a tremendous amount has happened since

1705
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,880
2017.

1706
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:37,119
all right absolutely yeah yeah what

1707
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,720
happened between the time they launched

1708
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,160
and what's going on right now believe me

1709
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,160
a tremendous amount has happened

1710
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:43,680
i think in the public eye though i think

1711
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,799
we saw the ttsa thing happen with a few

1712
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,920
promises

1713
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:50,079
of the future ramping up

1714
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,839
but then a little bit of a stagnant

1715
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,760
period for a couple of years but that

1716
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:55,200
was the point i'm trying to make vinnie

1717
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:56,799
right i knew from the point that those

1718
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,599
articles landed that how fast things

1719
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,359
were going to unfold depended on the

1720
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,680
political circumstances in the united

1721
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:05,760
states

1722
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,670
it depended upon how

1723
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:16,710
the new administration

1724
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:19,680
was going to conduct itself

1725
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,559
all right

1726
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,160
that makes sense

1727
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,920
in other words how

1728
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,839
the executive branch of the united

1729
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:28,240
states conducts itself i assure you has

1730
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,680
a huge impact on what is going to happen

1731
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,520
in this country

1732
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:34,880
right what's possible what's not

1733
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,440
possible the pace of things and so forth

1734
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,119
and this is true

1735
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,359
of nations around the world

1736
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:43,599
and it's true going back in history

1737
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,799
you can see examples of it all the time

1738
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,359
uh there is something happening in a

1739
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:50,880
country

1740
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,520
a quote executive branch

1741
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:55,680
ruling branch

1742
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,680
whom to whatever the hell right whatever

1743
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,520
is is controlling governing that kind of

1744
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,359
defiant country is in a certain

1745
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:03,119
situation

1746
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:04,880
and that impacts

1747
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,280
that development yeah can impact it

1748
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,200
profoundly

1749
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,039
there have been circumstances in the

1750
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:13,920
world and in history when a significant

1751
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,400
activist movement got underway and the

1752
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,400
circumstances within

1753
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:20,720
the ruling authority of the country were

1754
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,000
such that

1755
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:23,839
all of the activists were taken out in

1756
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,559
the forest and buried in a mass grave

1757
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,799
which slowed down the process quite a

1758
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:32,960
bit right there's plenty of examples of

1759
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,079
this and we are no different

1760
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:38,720
what are the circumstances in the united

1761
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,920
states in terms of the ruling authority

1762
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:44,400
and the circumstances were

1763
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:45,359
that

1764
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,880
we were going through a

1765
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:49,680
a

1766
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:56,880
since the founding of the government

1767
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:59,440
now admittedly

1768
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,760
there there were some pretty wild times

1769
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,760
in the early days

1770
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:04,880
of

1771
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,319
the american constitutional republic

1772
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:11,599
not so much the 1700s uh though it was

1773
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,240
pretty tense back then but in the 1800s

1774
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:15,680
there was a couple of periods there were

1775
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:16,480
pretty

1776
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,359
and it's hard to assess them

1777
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:23,200
from the future

1778
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,640
there's plenty of

1779
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,280
history of the american

1780
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,400
uh government is pretty well documented

1781
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,559
as you know but unless you were there

1782
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,319
it's hard to really know how crazy it

1783
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:36,000
was but but

1784
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,760
we have a sense

1785
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:39,599
my feeling is that what we've just gone

1786
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,240
through over the last

1787
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:43,760
five years

1788
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,960
we've never seen anything like it the

1789
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,880
history of the country

1790
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,720
uh it is

1791
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,799
bizarre

1792
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,079
green

1793
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,680
disruptive

1794
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:55,359
chaotic

1795
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:01,270
boy i can think of other adjectives that

1796
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:02,880
just

1797
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:05,760
but the way i sum all that up

1798
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,520
is that what

1799
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:10,079
ensued

1800
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:13,039
it had been building up offshore

1801
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,319
for some time

1802
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,000
out in the atlantic all right as a

1803
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:18,160
tropical storm right and we've been

1804
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,480
tracking it kind of for

1805
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,400
really about

1806
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,680
um

1807
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,280
maybe 10 years

1808
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:27,520
uh maybe a little bit longer

1809
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,589
and

1810
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:35,280
it finally made

1811
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,880
landfall

1812
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:38,079
uh

1813
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:39,330
on in november

1814
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,640
[Music]

1815
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:43,200
of 2016

1816
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,880
as a category four hurricane

1817
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:48,319
and

1818
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:53,920
uh

1819
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,880
obviously it's a lot harder to do things

1820
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:58,400
in the middle of a category three

1821
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,440
hurricane okay it's like you know it's

1822
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,280
like you're working on renovating your

1823
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:05,280
house and and uh you're making some

1824
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,039
progress and you're on the back porch

1825
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:09,200
and a category three hurricane comes in

1826
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:10,319
and you're thinking

1827
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,520
i probably need to suspend uh pro

1828
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,359
working on the back porch because the

1829
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,520
whole goddamn back porch is

1830
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:20,160
starting to blow away and so

1831
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,440
it hits

1832
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,680
and everybody

1833
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:25,680
has to make a decision

1834
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,960
what are we gonna now we just and i love

1835
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,559
this analogy this first time i've used

1836
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,400
this what are you gonna do whatever

1837
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:32,880
you're doing your job your whatever what

1838
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,039
are you gonna do right it's a category

1839
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:36,960
three do you bunker down you go in the

1840
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,039
basement do you leave the area what the

1841
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,520
hell do you do

1842
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:43,440
and the the to the stars academy made

1843
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,960
the decision after assessing situation

1844
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:48,079
that

1845
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:52,640
maybe it's because the eye of the storm

1846
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,000
passed over washington around around uh

1847
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,839
october of two thousand i don't know and

1848
01:07:02,069 --> 01:06:59,680
so they launched into the hurricane in

1849
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,079
2017

1850
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,079
and what happened next is the hurricane

1851
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,319
went from a category three to a category

1852
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:08,240
four

1853
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:10,640
and that is what

1854
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,520
has affected the pace of things

1855
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,319
right right and so

1856
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,039
what they were able to do

1857
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:21,599
over those next three years

1858
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,359
2018 2019 2020 going into november 2020

1859
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,680
is to operate

1860
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:32,160
from the basement while the storm raged

1861
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:33,440
overhead and what do i mean by the

1862
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:36,240
basement behind the scenes

1863
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,200
right

1864
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:39,280
so you could put together a

1865
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,440
a you put together a series on the

1866
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,280
history channel

1867
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,039
that can all be filmed indoors you're

1868
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,039
not really much affected by the politics

1869
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,480
you put it all together you get it up on

1870
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:50,160
the history channel and you show what

1871
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,079
you're doing that's kind of cool

1872
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,640
right they did that

1873
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,720
they started vetting witnesses

1874
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,480
which you can kind of do privately no

1875
01:08:02,789 --> 01:08:00,640
problem nobody has to know talking with

1876
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,799
this former pilot and that former

1877
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,160
corpsman and whatever the hell you're

1878
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,920
betting witnesses

1879
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,359
they went up on the hill and started

1880
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,200
privately briefing members of congress

1881
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,960
committee chairs

1882
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,160
privately right underneath a sense the

1883
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,239
overall storm

1884
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,880
they were doing things behind the scenes

1885
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:21,279
while the storm raged

1886
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:24,080
and the question is would the storm pass

1887
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,920
well

1888
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:27,279
theoretically

1889
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,159
it looked like the storm was passing as

1890
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:33,199
we ended 2020

1891
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,000
yeah

1892
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:36,880
and there had been some developments uh

1893
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,199
in 2020 that were non-trivial

1894
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:43,279
uh

1895
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,560
i'm sorry

1896
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:47,120
let me take that back

1897
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:48,880
the storm

1898
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:52,400
looks like it's passing in 2020. in the

1899
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,159
end of 2020.

1900
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:56,799
and we entered 2021

1901
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,239
and optimism was high

1902
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,319
i was making strong statements i kind of

1903
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,040
knew what was coming

1904
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:06,719
and then

1905
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:10,319
the damn storm returned it was like

1906
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,440
it's i was beginning to feel like

1907
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,520
louisiana you know looking at it

1908
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,199
you talk to somebody in louisiana new

1909
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,799
orleans you say hey

1910
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,920
well

1911
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,920
you know what what what

1912
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,920
i understand you've had this you know if

1913
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,159
a hurricane comes in and and does all

1914
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:26,960
this stuff what what what is that

1915
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,590
that's tuesday might be sunday it

1916
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,120
doesn't matter they get hit by a

1917
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,359
hurricane about every three weeks and so

1918
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:39,120
and there have been a couple of cases

1919
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,560
where hurricane

1920
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:42,560
actually have hit and made land gone

1921
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:44,159
back offshore come back and made land

1922
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:46,880
again so essentially

1923
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,640
things have not gone quite as we thought

1924
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:52,560
again history

1925
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,520
is the bane of an activist

1926
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:57,120
and so

1927
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:58,800
as we enter

1928
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,310
uh as we

1929
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,560
let me see if i get this right now i get

1930
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:07,520
this right

1931
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,070
there were developments going on in 20

1932
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,719
night as we entered 2020

1933
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:18,400
that were significant

1934
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,080
without question and i anticipated a a

1935
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,480
rapid pace

1936
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,000
and then the worst pandemic since the

1937
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,600
black plague turned up

1938
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:28,800
okay

1939
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,679
um

1940
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,960
and i say

1941
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,560
you know it might even be worse than the

1942
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:34,960
1918-1919

1943
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,360
uh because of the the larger population

1944
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,600
now and the globality of its spread and

1945
01:10:43,390 --> 01:10:41,520
how long it's going to last so it may

1946
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:43,400
end up surpassing

1947
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:47,040
1918-19 which is a formidable milestone

1948
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,239
uh

1949
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,920
it may not catch up with the black

1950
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:51,520
plague of

1951
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,239
the

1952
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,560
11th century but uh

1953
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,880
let's face it medical if we had the same

1954
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,400
medical

1955
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,719
understandings and science that we have

1956
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,480
that we had in the 11th century that we

1957
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,800
have now i guarantee this play would

1958
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:06,640
have would would have crushed the

1959
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,199
big one right the divine black plague uh

1960
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,239
but fortunately we have we have tossed

1961
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,400
all of the massive technology we have at

1962
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,000
this thing right i mean everything we

1963
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,400
could possibly do and we're sorta

1964
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,880
containing it but if this if we had the

1965
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,800
same technology we had them this this

1966
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:24,640
this this pandemic would probably have

1967
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:27,280
killed a billion people god but it's not

1968
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:28,480
going to it's probably going to end up

1969
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,239
killing around 10 to 11 million so um

1970
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,159
but still

1971
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,000
so that showed up

1972
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,840
and of course

1973
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,600
as an activist

1974
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,040
you know

1975
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,679
it's one thing when a pl when a plague

1976
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,120
a pandemic shows up and you're a

1977
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,840
billionaire or 100 wait

1978
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,280
you just head on out

1979
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,080
to your your island home now the one in

1980
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:55,199
the south pacific right spend some time

1981
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,320
on the yacht

1982
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,800
make sure everybody is uh back whatever

1983
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,640
but if you're a poor activist and

1984
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:02,239
something like that comes

1985
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:03,280
uh

1986
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:04,480
it's

1987
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,480
louisiana who wakes up wednesday morning

1988
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:11,920
and goes and finds that their house has

1989
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:13,280
been gone it's gone and not there

1990
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,159
anymore right there's no house

1991
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,000
we're gonna have to build another one

1992
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,159
and just like that louisiana you know

1993
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,719
what a activist does they build a house

1994
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:25,280
in exactly the same place right they

1995
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,199
they put it back up in exactly the same

1996
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,800
place so the next hurricane could take

1997
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:30,960
it down because we don't have my option

1998
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,840
and so

1999
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:33,360
uh

2000
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:36,960
that the the pandemic shows up

2001
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,360
and then the political situation

2002
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,480
continues to develop

2003
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:45,600
we have an armed semi-armed insurrect

2004
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,199
again i'm going come on man

2005
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,360
okay i mean come on

2006
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:53,440
i mean look how hard does this have to

2007
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:54,239
be

2008
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:58,400
biblical jobian thing i mean why can't

2009
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,960
we just get it done and then when i have

2010
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,480
a moment like that

2011
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:05,360
i think back to other activist movements

2012
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,880
okay

2013
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,080
where things didn't go the way you

2014
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,239
wanted them to

2015
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,000
and uh let me say that

2016
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,920
this isn't that bad

2017
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,600
all right okay

2018
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:18,239
uh there have been worse situations than

2019
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:19,040
this

2020
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,480
and so consequently uh i need to chill

2021
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,760
and so

2022
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,280
uh

2023
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,840
what what happened what has happened

2024
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,159
this year

2025
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,880
part of which goes back to to uh

2026
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,960
uh 2020.

2027
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,159
um

2028
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,880
and and that's why i brought that up

2029
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,080
there were

2030
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:41,679
the most significant developments in

2031
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:43,360
2020 is

2032
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,400
stemmed from the ttsa's work and by that

2033
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,239
i mean luis elizondo and christopher

2034
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,880
mellon right who eventually stepped out

2035
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,560
of the ttsa because they knew that was

2036
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,840
necessary

2037
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,520
it was it had nothing to do with

2038
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:57,040
disagreements really i don't believe it

2039
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,080
it had to do with the fact that they

2040
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,560
needed to be independent but the

2041
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,800
briefings on the hill finally generated

2042
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:05,280
action and the action came from rubio

2043
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:06,640
who was the chairman of the intel

2044
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:09,280
committee and so he makes this dramatic

2045
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,840
move to put language in the intel the

2046
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,080
defense appropriations bill calling for

2047
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:15,679
a report

2048
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,080
that's what launched my optimism and

2049
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,159
sent to a whole another level

2050
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:22,640
so as we head to november

2051
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,880
that is already in play

2052
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:26,320
now the bill doesn't get signed to

2053
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,640
december and so the 180-day deadline

2054
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,719
doesn't start till then so the reports

2055
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:32,320
the deadline for that report eventually

2056
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,800
ends up being june 27th 2021 right

2057
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:38,800
i think 25 yeah

2058
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,440
2025 and so so

2059
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,840
but the optimism that that action took

2060
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,440
confirming what i knew was going on

2061
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,560
which is they're going to get hearings

2062
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:48,000
they're trying to get the hearings right

2063
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,880
yeah

2064
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,800
so then i'm thinking okay bring up the

2065
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:52,080
hearings but

2066
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,760
i knew that it was going to be hard to

2067
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:55,280
get those hearings until this hurricane

2068
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,320
left town

2069
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:58,560
and so finally it did as of november

2070
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,360
theoretically it was scheduled to leave

2071
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:03,760
and so now the optimism really ascends

2072
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,880
and i'm making some very strong

2073
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,560
statements in december

2074
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:08,800
of 2020

2075
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,679
and then i went out to california to try

2076
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,960
to raise some money and while i'm out

2077
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:15,520
there the pandemic explodes

2078
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,199
and i realize well this is not going to

2079
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:22,080
perhaps go the way we hoped

2080
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,520
and so i came back to washington

2081
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,080
and i set up

2082
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,560
and i got i was able to get a but still

2083
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,560
i was able to get an office in the press

2084
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,560
building where the press club is

2085
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,280
it's just a few floors above where we're

2086
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,800
marching to we're having office i'm in

2087
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,960
hollywood california right now

2088
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,920
and

2089
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:44,000
while i was there the insurrection took

2090
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,080
place right and so it's so i'm i'm i'm

2091
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:50,400
i'm two blocks from the capitol

2092
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:52,159
uh i'm i'm two and a half blocks from

2093
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,360
the ellipse

2094
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:55,120
okay and i'm sitting up in the capital

2095
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,400
and i'm watching

2096
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,560
the stuff going on in the ellipse

2097
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,880
on on my 65-inch television the next

2098
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:02,239
thing i know people are moving on

2099
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:04,159
towards the capitol right and i'm saying

2100
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:05,280
well that's interesting i know what the

2101
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:06,960
hell's going to happen there and the

2102
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:09,040
next thing i know they're breaking in

2103
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:10,800
and i'm going okay

2104
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:12,880
that's not good

2105
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:15,120
it's not going to help all right it's

2106
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:16,400
not going to help

2107
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,040
and thus 2021 began

2108
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:21,199
all right and so

2109
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:25,189
what

2110
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:26,560
we have

2111
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:29,679
what what has transpired since

2112
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:30,719
uh

2113
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,840
january 6 is

2114
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:34,640
this

2115
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:37,679
the media has shifted its massive

2116
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:40,640
efforts of coverage and journalism

2117
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:47,590
the remnants of that category for

2118
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,840
and hurricane

2119
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:48,960
pandemic

2120
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,159
and that's what it is 24-7 all right

2121
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:55,120
the the the hearings process

2122
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:56,640
is on hold

2123
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:58,880
period there's no way

2124
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,600
that marco rubio or rather mark warner

2125
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:03,120
and that committee chair is actually

2126
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,400
going to call hearings now they've

2127
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:05,520
mentioned it

2128
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,840
so we know it's still in play but you're

2129
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:10,080
not calling military witnesses to the

2130
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:11,040
hill

2131
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,280
for multi-day hearings on the uap

2132
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:16,159
subject on national security bases while

2133
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,080
the pandemic is surging and resurging

2134
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:23,120
and the political chaos is still raining

2135
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:25,040
right

2136
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:27,040
that has to be on hold

2137
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:29,600
and i accept that okay

2138
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:32,000
but i assure you does that mean we're

2139
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,600
going backwards no we're not going

2140
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,440
backwards we're still headed to the

2141
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,760
finish line we're just walking now all

2142
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,840
right we can't run

2143
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:42,320
and so what are the examples of that

2144
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,000
well one of the examples is this

2145
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:48,880
to show that they're still on board

2146
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:51,120
and the dod is on board i can assure you

2147
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,480
the department of defense has done

2148
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,320
everything but simply throw the tally in

2149
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,640
the parking lot and say look we give up

2150
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,600
okay

2151
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,880
we're not going to get your way we're

2152
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,640
going to we're going to help this

2153
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,840
we're going to do what we do but we're

2154
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:03,840
not going to violate our

2155
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,239
our relationship to the executive branch

2156
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,239
but yeah no no we accept the fact that

2157
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:10,000
truth embargo is coming and the navy has

2158
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,199
done the same thing and you're going to

2159
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:12,719
see more of that

2160
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:17,189
we're having to walk it

2161
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,480
but the

2162
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:20,640
inclusion in the

2163
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,159
the next appropriations defense bill

2164
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,640
calling for the permanent task force to

2165
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:28,239
be made

2166
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,280
and calling for regular reports is their

2167
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:33,120
way of saying

2168
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:35,120
we're still on board

2169
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:37,280
okay now let me tell your audience

2170
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:44,950
you you may be experiencing some serious

2171
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:50,470
and here's why

2172
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,480
and i love saying this and this is gonna

2173
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:54,560
be my mantra i'm going to pound this out

2174
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:57,120
there if i ever get on cnn boys the

2175
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:58,080
first thing is going to come out of my

2176
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:59,040
mouth

2177
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:59,840
um

2178
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,520
seeing on and again rather been on

2179
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,360
before

2180
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,440
the government has known about the et

2181
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:08,400
president since 1947 okay

2182
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,400
the government has been arguing

2183
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:12,719
embargoing that confirmation from us for

2184
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,560
74 years

2185
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,480
it has been doing research on a t

2186
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,320
technology

2187
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:20,239
there's on who knows how many

2188
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,920
unacknowledged special access programs

2189
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,520
dealing with the et issue or existing

2190
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:25,520
and operating for how much money for how

2191
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:29,750
so

2192
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,560
when the government says

2193
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:33,600
we want to

2194
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,840
task force to look into this issue

2195
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,480
anybody that knows what i just told you

2196
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,080
is going

2197
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:46,159
what

2198
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,280
we had project blue book from 52 to 69

2199
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:53,440
it was 17 years they studied reports all

2200
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:55,280
that time they they came up with they

2201
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,800
studied thousands of reports they came

2202
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,880
up with 701 they could never explain and

2203
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,880
they shut the whole thing down

2204
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:01,760
uh

2205
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,520
there's other documents and been shown

2206
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:05,920
they've been studying this forever

2207
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,639
another task force what what what is the

2208
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:10,239
point of this what are you trying to

2209
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:13,360
convey to us right

2210
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,400
so

2211
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,120
level

2212
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,880
now one way people are going to deal

2213
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,800
with that is they're going to say

2214
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,320
oh wow

2215
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,639
finally the government is finally

2216
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,080
realized well there's

2217
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,840
there's there's this unknown technology

2218
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:29,120
flying around

2219
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,880
and we don't know what it is

2220
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,639
and we need to really investigate that

2221
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,040
seriously and not make fun of it anymore

2222
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,960
and if we do investigate it maybe for

2223
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,800
five or ten more years

2224
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,320
the government may get enough evidence

2225
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,480
put in front of it to go wow

2226
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,960
we think it's extraterrestrial okay

2227
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,400
there are some people out there that are

2228
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:47,600
kind of new to the game that are

2229
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:48,960
actually thinking like that and they're

2230
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,310
i have to deal with that okay this is my

2231
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,760
burden

2232
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,800
all right

2233
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:58,000
but there's

2234
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,679
another point of view

2235
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,800
okay

2236
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,600
actually there's three points of view

2237
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,760
the second point of view is we know damn

2238
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,040
well you've been doing this all this

2239
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:09,440
time i'm mad as hell i'm this is god

2240
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,080
damn it i am pissed i'm gonna raise hell

2241
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:13,920
and do this i'm gonna say that and i'm

2242
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,400
gonna throw a bunch of shade at you and

2243
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,719
goddamn me and all that i i don't blame

2244
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,000
that person for being that way and

2245
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,840
you're seeing some of that on the net

2246
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,280
okay

2247
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,040
however there is a third point of view

2248
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:27,120
that i would like to recommend

2249
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,600
this is far less destructive far less

2250
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:31,520
anxiety producing

2251
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,719
you could sit

2252
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,120
watch all this happen you can

2253
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,239
maybe have a libation some snacks

2254
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,320
uh do breathing exercises and just kind

2255
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,120
of relax and chill and watch it unfold

2256
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:45,840
this is the one i recommend all right

2257
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:50,000
what is in fact going on here

2258
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:53,199
what is going on is this

2259
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,120
some sausage is being made all right and

2260
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,600
nobody really wants to know how the

2261
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:01,760
sausage is made

2262
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:04,159
this happens all the time in government

2263
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:06,960
perfect example is nuclear proliferation

2264
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:09,679
and so forth salt strategic terms

2265
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:11,520
imitation talks everybody knows that

2266
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,880
they have those that went on for a long

2267
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:14,560
time and they finally passed a treaty

2268
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,840
that actually seemed to help a little

2269
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,520
bit though we're still

2270
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:19,920
in deep doo-doo on this

2271
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:21,360
they don't really want to know how those

2272
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:23,120
things took place

2273
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,560
they want to know how we arrived at

2274
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,199
assault treaty i can assure you it was

2275
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,080
chaos it was brutal there was this and

2276
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,400
that and compromise and problems and all

2277
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,239
kinds of crap that was going on and

2278
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,000
compromises were being made and the

2279
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:38,080
process worked forward until they could

2280
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,920
have been treated

2281
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,840
they could have just said hey let's have

2282
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:43,040
a treaty

2283
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,560
you know and probably

2284
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:46,000
i'm fine

2285
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,920
whatever i think maybe that was under

2286
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:49,679
and okay let's quick get it together

2287
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:51,850
boom bam and then write it up sign no

2288
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:53,199
[Music]

2289
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:54,560
they could have they could have they

2290
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:55,760
could have dumped all kinds of

2291
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:57,679
information out to the public about the

2292
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,280
real nature and risk of nuclear arms uh

2293
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,600
race and the threat of nuclear war and

2294
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,840
all but they didn't do that right

2295
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:07,199
because if they did it would have

2296
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:09,040
undermined the process they feel they

2297
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,639
had to go through

2298
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:11,920
okay

2299
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,560
so here is how to look at this

2300
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,120
there is a process underway

2301
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:19,199
the process is to get congressional

2302
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:23,040
hearings yeah on the uap issue

2303
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,239
so that

2304
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:26,880
and then i mean substantial

2305
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:30,800
lengthy multi-committee for not 1 2 10

2306
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:34,800
15 but 20 30 40 50

2307
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,280
military witnesses like fraver and day

2308
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,960
and so many others and some some we

2309
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,400
don't even know about and i'm sure

2310
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,920
they'll bring up some chiefs and they'll

2311
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:43,920
bring up some dod people or whatever i'm

2312
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,840
talking the real deal

2313
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,960
here that will be seen by hundreds of

2314
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,480
millions of people they will be live

2315
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,920
they will be the most watch hearings in

2316
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,840
the history of uh any government any

2317
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:55,040
time

2318
01:23:59,200 --> 01:23:57,840
and those hearings will provide the

2319
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:59,210
public platform

2320
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,320
[Music]

2321
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,719
for the president to come forward who by

2322
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,320
the way is deliberately staying out of

2323
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:06,719
this completely it means nothing to say

2324
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,880
because that's exactly what he has to do

2325
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:10,400
for the president to come forward and

2326
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,840
say i've been watching the testimony

2327
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:14,239
like you haven't we have concluded that

2328
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,159
this this confirms there is an et

2329
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:18,239
presence there is an external technology

2330
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,520
here and

2331
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:21,360
we're going to tell you more about that

2332
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,480
and we're going to get down to this

2333
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:24,080
we're going to get into this and in a

2334
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:25,840
real way

2335
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,239
that's what has to happen the pairings

2336
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,280
must come first okay

2337
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:33,520
and melon knows that and elizondo knows

2338
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:36,719
that everybody on the ttsa knows that

2339
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:40,000
so first you got to get the hearings

2340
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,000
so the process underway is to get the

2341
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,239
hearings how do you do that do you go up

2342
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,040
on the hill and say uh to the committee

2343
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:49,920
chairs like like it was rubio now warner

2344
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:50,880
the chairs of the armed service

2345
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:52,400
committee here christopher melanie got

2346
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:53,920
some witnesses got some contact ease

2347
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:56,239
with me hey look here's the deal

2348
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:58,080
they're contacting people they're taking

2349
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:59,280
them up into their ships they're doing

2350
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,040
genetic research i'm telling you they're

2351
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,600
here this is huge all right

2352
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,280
so i think we need to hold hearings with

2353
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,600
the contactees and also i think we need

2354
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:09,120
to start talking about an embassy or

2355
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,719
something that you know

2356
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,480
and how we're going to welcome the et's

2357
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:14,320
in a formal way a party something what

2358
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,440
kind of refreshments are we going to

2359
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:17,360
have i think the committee chairs are

2360
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:18,400
going to yeah yeah let's have some

2361
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:19,760
hearings

2362
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,080
i don't think so

2363
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,560
how do you get

2364
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,880
committee chairs to put their legacies

2365
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,400
and careers

2366
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:30,239
at risk

2367
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,239
though the risk is not nearly what you

2368
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:34,080
think it is now and my citizen hearing

2369
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:35,840
on disclosure was specifically to show

2370
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:38,639
the risk won't be that bad but whatever

2371
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,880
to hold those hearings

2372
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,199
first of all you have to

2373
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:45,360
you cannot talk about et's are already

2374
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,400
here

2375
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:48,000
you don't talk about a whole range of

2376
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:51,600
the phenomena you focus on two things

2377
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:55,120
there is a national security basis for

2378
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,800
addressing this issue there are

2379
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:59,360
legitimate national security concerns

2380
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,239
and we have military witnesses can speak

2381
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,719
to those concerns or to speak to the

2382
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:07,280
evidence related to those concerns and

2383
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,520
you need to bring them up on the hill to

2384
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:10,960
talk about that

2385
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:13,199
and they're going fine

2386
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,199
and that has been the process

2387
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,360
that is what's determined what elizondo

2388
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,600
can say or not say what melon can say or

2389
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:21,840
not say what they can do or not do what

2390
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:23,840
rubio can do what the defense department

2391
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,800
can do

2392
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:26,159
all right

2393
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,600
and so

2394
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,120
you could ask

2395
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,960
these gentlemen or ask the department of

2396
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:32,800
defense our et's here you're not going

2397
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,639
to get an answer

2398
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,719
and if you if in if somehow you get them

2399
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,560
in a position and this has happened very

2400
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:40,400
rarely but you get them in a position

2401
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:41,280
where they

2402
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:42,400
they don't

2403
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:45,760
maneuver there's gonna lie to you

2404
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,159
and that's happened on a few occasions

2405
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:50,880
but our question is being asked of of of

2406
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,480
the uh the white house press secretary

2407
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:56,800
of the press secretary for the pentagon

2408
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,840
yeah and we have those responses uh our

2409
01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:01,440
other question yeah

2410
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:02,239
but

2411
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,679
everything is within the process

2412
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,280
we're not going to get above that

2413
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,080
process and so consequently that process

2414
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:11,520
is what affected what the pub the

2415
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:14,719
republic report that we got on june 25

2416
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,480
which wasn't much

2417
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:18,639
couldn't be much

2418
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:21,199
yeah certainly and but but what was

2419
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,960
important was not the public report

2420
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,719
which they the department of defense had

2421
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:26,719
no desire to put out but rubio

2422
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,600
politically saw the wisdom of that

2423
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:31,679
he realized as for a public report you

2424
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,760
don't care what's in it the very fact of

2425
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:36,000
asking for guarantees enormous political

2426
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,679
uh media coverage of the damn thing is

2427
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,360
give the media a deadline on something

2428
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:40,639
like that and they're going to cover it

2429
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:41,920
to death

2430
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:43,840
right it's going to get him and who else

2431
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,199
is going to get a lot of coverage marco

2432
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,880
rubio is going to get a lot of coverage

2433
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,480
what mattered was the

2434
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:51,440
classified report that was delivered

2435
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,239
nine days before the public report yeah

2436
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:56,239
and that was 400 pages the reason we

2437
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,199
know that is louis elizondo saw it and

2438
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:01,120
told his attorney danny shannon is 400

2439
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,159
pages

2440
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,679
plus powerpoint

2441
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:05,920
that's the one that matters but that is

2442
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,320
still classified

2443
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:09,920
why didn't they just come out and tell

2444
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:11,840
us what was in it because you see that's

2445
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:14,880
that would undermine the process

2446
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:17,920
right the process is to get hearings not

2447
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,719
to

2448
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:20,960
launch a massive

2449
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,560
torrent of speculation about et's right

2450
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:27,440
now in the media or anywhere else

2451
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,590
don't be concerned

2452
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,960
that

2453
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,719
we're going to spend the next 10 years

2454
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,159
or five years

2455
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:40,400
waiting for the next 90 day report from

2456
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:47,510
atp

2457
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:48,719
uap

2458
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:54,719
don't don't be concerned that there's

2459
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,239
going to be another project blue book

2460
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:58,719
that goes on for 17 years

2461
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,040
i can say we've reviewed 43 000

2462
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:03,360
sightings and there's 2 000 that we

2463
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,040
can't identify but we're shutting it

2464
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:07,040
down because the university of

2465
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:09,760
california at santa clara just issued a

2466
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,080
report that there's really no

2467
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:14,719
don't be concerned about that

2468
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,239
i i'm gonna be quite clear here

2469
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:19,600
that

2470
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,830
which right now is

2471
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:27,600
almost directly dependent upon the

2472
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:29,840
vaccine schedule

2473
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,280
in other words how many people are

2474
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,120
vaccinated and how many people are

2475
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:36,000
immune from previous infection

2476
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,199
and how bad is the next variant

2477
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:41,760
as soon as that gets settled in sense

2478
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:43,760
meaning okay

2479
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,880
the current variant is not awful

2480
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:48,960
we got it under control

2481
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,840
the total okay herd immunity level is up

2482
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:53,920
to 85

2483
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,440
something like that which is reachable

2484
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:59,280
that is the number one determinant as to

2485
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:01,440
when these hearings can be held

2486
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,560
because

2487
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:04,239
they ca they're not they can't be on

2488
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,600
zoom

2489
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:07,440
or stream yard

2490
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:08,239
or

2491
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:10,000
you you and there are some things

2492
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,080
happening on the hill but you're not

2493
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:14,159
going to hold hearings on the uap task

2494
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,159
force involving scores of military

2495
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:18,080
witnesses that have to be on the hill

2496
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:18,960
yeah

2497
01:30:21,620 --> 01:30:20,480
and you're not going to do this without

2498
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:21,630
an audience in that room

2499
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:23,040
[Music]

2500
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,320
in the middle

2501
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:26,000
of a surging

2502
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:28,560
new variant pandemic it simply can't

2503
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,600
happen

2504
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:30,880
not to mention the fact that you've

2505
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,800
still got to focus on a damn pandemic

2506
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:34,719
right because uh while you're trying to

2507
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:36,639
hold this massive event the most

2508
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:38,560
important hearings ever held people are

2509
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,719
dying by the thousands and so that's not

2510
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:42,880
gonna happen okay and you will there are

2511
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:44,560
some things you can do to let people

2512
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:45,600
know hey

2513
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:47,679
we're still on board here it's okay all

2514
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:48,800
right you'll see a lot of that you'll

2515
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:50,159
see some of that

2516
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:51,840
but we can't have the hearings

2517
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,719
all right and it's also complicated

2518
01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:56,080
by

2519
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:57,199
the fact that there's some political

2520
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:58,560
things going on right now which are

2521
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:59,360
still

2522
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:00,840
bizarrely

2523
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,679
disruptive

2524
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:07,440
and that needs to settle down a little

2525
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:09,840
bit and also

2526
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:11,920
the circumstances are

2527
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,239
in washington dc right now

2528
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:16,400
that the current administration

2529
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:18,159
in addition to dealing with whatever

2530
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:21,440
bizarre political drama is happening

2531
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:24,320
are trying to address two massive pieces

2532
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:26,159
of legislation not just some new

2533
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,440
legislation

2534
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:29,760
we're talking massive pieces of

2535
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:31,280
legislation

2536
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,000
whether one agrees or disagrees with

2537
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:36,159
whatever that legislation

2538
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:38,480
it doesn't make them any less massive

2539
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:41,120
and so those pieces of legislation

2540
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:43,760
obviously are dominating political

2541
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,600
coverage what little political coverage

2542
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,600
is available once you've covered the

2543
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:50,000
hurricanes the pandemic

2544
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,000
and uh the political drama all right

2545
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:56,000
and so

2546
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:57,120
i'm

2547
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:03,990
i i'd like i'd like to say hearings at

2548
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:05,679
the end of the year

2549
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,239
okay that'd be good okay

2550
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:10,800
now why why why am i trying to target

2551
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:12,560
there

2552
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:15,040
it could have been the spring but that

2553
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:16,639
was before the pandemic and before the

2554
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,159
insurrection okay and the point is is

2555
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:20,239
that

2556
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:25,199
settled down enough by say december

2557
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:28,080
or even late november

2558
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,679
and that's good

2559
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,600
it's also the case

2560
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:33,840
that and this is this is the nature of

2561
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:36,000
american politics not not british

2562
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,320
politics be thankful that you don't have

2563
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:40,560
our system okay

2564
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:41,679
because

2565
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:42,639
you know in order to have a

2566
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:44,560
parliamentary election basically you

2567
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:47,040
call it you run for about i don't know a

2568
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:48,960
couple of weeks five weeks you spend a

2569
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:51,679
few million and somebody is you know you

2570
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,199
have a you have a new parliament and

2571
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:54,960
maybe a new prime minister over here we

2572
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:56,800
start our elections one two three years

2573
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:59,120
in advance and we spend billions

2574
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:01,360
billions of dollars okay

2575
01:33:05,189 --> 01:33:03,199
and we end up getting a government no

2576
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:05,199
better than the one we had before yeah

2577
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:07,040
right all of that money could be spent

2578
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:08,800
on really doing some wonderful things

2579
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,679
here

2580
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:12,000
you don't do that be thankful anyways

2581
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:13,600
the point is

2582
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,320
and

2583
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,960
the next political campaigns

2584
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:18,880
for the 22 elections will start right

2585
01:33:23,189 --> 01:33:21,040
after christmas okay in january right

2586
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,199
away all right even though the primaries

2587
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:25,120
which we also start too early don't come

2588
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:26,639
later in the year

2589
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:28,639
now if i'm the dod

2590
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:30,560
and i'm on mark mark warner if i'm the

2591
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:31,679
committee chairs of any of the

2592
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,800
committees that have been briefed by

2593
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:34,560
mellon

2594
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:36,320
and i know how big these hearings are

2595
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,679
going to be i know how profound they're

2596
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,520
going to be

2597
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:40,960
i do not want to be holding these

2598
01:33:44,470 --> 01:33:42,320
hearings in the middle of the political

2599
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:44,480
season i don't want to be holding these

2600
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:46,320
hearings while at the same time the

2601
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:47,679
members of the committee are sitting

2602
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:48,560
there

2603
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:50,480
thinking about can they get re-elected

2604
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:52,000
this year or not

2605
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,600
right or how is this going to affect my

2606
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:55,440
re-election prospects

2607
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:57,280
because right now we have a very

2608
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,639
substantial number of people in our

2609
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:00,159
congress

2610
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:02,080
who would put anything and everything

2611
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:05,520
you can conceive of behind their need to

2612
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:06,880
get reelected

2613
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:08,239
period

2614
01:34:13,590 --> 01:34:11,120
coronal mass ejections

2615
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:13,600
extermination level events

2616
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:16,239
right you know the pandemic takes off

2617
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:18,480
with the zeta variant

2618
01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:21,280
killing 400 000 people a day number one

2619
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:24,239
on their mind will be can i get elected

2620
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,320
in november of 2022. that is unfortunate

2621
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,400
we need less of such people in our

2622
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:32,560
congress i can assure you somehow we've

2623
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:33,840
got to get rid of these people and

2624
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:35,679
replace them with people that actually

2625
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:37,920
want to serve and put the welfare of the

2626
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:39,760
nation ahead of their own personal

2627
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,880
ambitions

2628
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:43,280
we're working on that okay

2629
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:44,880
but uh so

2630
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:47,199
you don't want those hearings then you

2631
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:49,040
you want to get those those hearings out

2632
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:50,800
of the way you want to get disclosure

2633
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,400
out of the way

2634
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:54,080
end of this year

2635
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,000
early january

2636
01:34:59,669 --> 01:34:58,080
so that all of the campaigns are going

2637
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,679
to take place and we have a lot of them

2638
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:01,199
here

2639
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:03,920
we have 435 in the congress plus another

2640
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:05,760
five in the territories and then we've

2641
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,320
got 33 senate campaigns

2642
01:35:12,070 --> 01:35:10,000
we've got a whole bunch of governor

2643
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,080
campaign god knows how many state

2644
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:15,679
representatives we have got thousands of

2645
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:17,760
everybody running for whatever office

2646
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,520
they're running for in 2022

2647
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:23,760
need to be on the same page

2648
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:26,000
yeah by that i mean they all need to be

2649
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:27,119
on

2650
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,000
in the post-disclosure world together

2651
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,719
meaning okay

2652
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:35,760
everybody everybody agrees okay hello

2653
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:37,119
audience i'm here today to talk about

2654
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:38,639
what i want to do and how i why you

2655
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,000
should elect me to the senate or the

2656
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,400
house but we can all agree that there's

2657
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,800
an extraterrestrial presence can't we

2658
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:46,800
and i can talk about that i can talk

2659
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:49,119
about my thoughts about that i can talk

2660
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:51,600
about policy regarding that

2661
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:53,840
and nobody in the audience today is

2662
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:56,480
going to think i'm crazy

2663
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,600
then i'm batshit crazy no nobody because

2664
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,760
we've all agreed

2665
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,360
all of the heads of state of nations

2666
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,280
have confirmed his e.t presence xi

2667
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:07,520
jinping putin

2668
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,760
boris all of them they've all confirmed

2669
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:11,360
it they've even shown us the evidence

2670
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:13,280
it's a done deal it's in the past look

2671
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:14,560
there are a few people who still don't

2672
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:16,400
believe that there's people out there

2673
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:17,840
still think the earth is flat it's okay

2674
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:20,320
it's all right but virtually everybody

2675
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:21,840
in the audience today we're on the same

2676
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:23,440
page are we not

2677
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:25,440
yeah we've got to be we've got to be i

2678
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:27,040
mean i'm just going to pull this up

2679
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,560
because it's a question that i just that

2680
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:30,480
jumps out at me

2681
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,679
apparently you've commented in the past

2682
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,080
about connections with japan regarding

2683
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:36,400
regarding disclosure back in the day

2684
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:38,000
is do you have an opinion about where

2685
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,560
they are right now

2686
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,400
i i don't have an opinion where they are

2687
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:44,400
japan but i do know this japan hasn't

2688
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:45,600
done anything of late that's

2689
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,679
particularly notable there is a ufo

2690
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:49,840
interest there always has been uap

2691
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:51,920
interest of course there was a couple of

2692
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:54,480
interesting moments in the past 15 years

2693
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:56,960
one of us in which one of the newly

2694
01:37:02,310 --> 01:36:59,520
elected prime ministers of japan's wife

2695
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:02,320
uh uh talked about being a contractee uh

2696
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:05,280
there was a point when a top minister

2697
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:06,880
said something to the effect that et's

2698
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,960
were kind of here and that generated a

2699
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:10,159
lot of press

2700
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:12,080
but japan is not a

2701
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,600
it's not pushing disclosure it's not

2702
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,600
doing anything profound there

2703
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:17,199
and that is true of most of the nations

2704
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:20,719
of the world in fact

2705
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:23,040
if you think about it

2706
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:24,639
and this is interesting

2707
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:26,880
right

2708
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:28,080
and you look at the developments that

2709
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:30,239
have happened since 2017

2710
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:31,760
yeah

2711
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:33,679
i think it's quite remarkable how little

2712
01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:36,800
other nations have said

2713
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:38,719
you would think

2714
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:41,199
that boy a lot of these other would want

2715
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:42,480
to be on the record here you know what's

2716
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:44,639
going on i mean rubio calls for the

2717
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:46,159
reports and

2718
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:48,080
former cia directors are coming for

2719
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:50,000
people that were were dismissing this

2720
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,080
issue out of hand not that many years

2721
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:53,840
ago or suddenly coming forward saying

2722
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,719
you know

2723
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,600
uh

2724
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:57,360
i don't think we we understand this

2725
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,639
technology that they're showing there

2726
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,760
you know i don't know if we have that

2727
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:01,600
i'm talking brennan i'm talking woolsey

2728
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:04,080
okay and others

2729
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:05,199
you would think a lot of other

2730
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:06,960
governments we want to jump in here and

2731
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:09,440
say no no they're not

2732
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:11,199
there is i mean there's coverage in

2733
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,960
these other countries yeah of course

2734
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:16,960
why aren't they jumping in with their

2735
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,360
own views

2736
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:21,600
why isn't boris saying anything why are

2737
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:22,719
some of the members of parliament

2738
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,360
jumping in hey i heard about marco rubio

2739
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:27,600
i'll tell you why

2740
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:28,840
let me tell you

2741
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,560
something every developed nation

2742
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:34,639
in most undeveloped nations but

2743
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:36,800
certainly i say developed

2744
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:38,719
the technological nation

2745
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,960
the ones that have the technology the

2746
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:43,040
defense departments the air force and so

2747
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,840
forth there's a lot of these

2748
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,520
every one of them is known about the e.t

2749
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:49,760
presence for decades if not all the way

2750
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,960
back to the 40s every single one of them

2751
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,960
i can't repeat this enough for those

2752
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:56,639
that are that are having cognizant

2753
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:58,320
dissidents that could could have an

2754
01:39:01,270 --> 01:39:00,159
embolism blow out their brain at any

2755
01:39:02,229 --> 01:39:01,280
moment

2756
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:02,239
all right

2757
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,600
every single one of them knows

2758
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,199
and that means that i don't care what

2759
01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:08,880
country we're talking about if you're

2760
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:11,119
the prime minister or or even the

2761
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,960
dictator of that country i assure you

2762
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:14,560
you may not know about the programs

2763
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:16,080
going on in the us but somebody in your

2764
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:17,679
government has taken you aside and said

2765
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,719
uh mr prime minister uh mr dick nader

2766
01:39:24,629 --> 01:39:22,719
great dictator great leader look you

2767
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,639
know the e.t presence is real you know

2768
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,760
we don't know much every single one of

2769
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:29,600
them knows okay

2770
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:30,800
so

2771
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:33,440
therefore it is not surprising

2772
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:34,480
that

2773
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:36,800
as they have watched these things unfold

2774
01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:39,119
as they have seen that the pentagon has

2775
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,679
vacantly said okay we give up

2776
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,440
you know you know they're even meeting

2777
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:45,520
with danny sheen and louis elizondo with

2778
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,600
the ig office

2779
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,440
and having substantial i mean

2780
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:51,280
they see where this is going now the

2781
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:53,679
pandemic has screwed that up and let's

2782
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,600
be fair

2783
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,440
other nations are having a worse time

2784
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:59,280
than we are in many cases okay and so

2785
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:00,480
you know they got people dying in the

2786
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,480
droves and and it's going to get and

2787
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,159
it's getting worse and so yeah that's a

2788
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,920
pretty big deal for them but they know

2789
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:08,400
and so they know where this is going

2790
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:11,119
and they're staying out of the way

2791
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:12,320
all right

2792
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:14,719
let's don't say or do anything that

2793
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:16,880
could interrupt the process of making

2794
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,639
this sausage here

2795
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,639
right because i'm i'm the head of this

2796
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:23,040
country anything i say could cause a

2797
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:25,440
kerfuffle i don't know i don't want to

2798
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,679
screw the pooch here all right

2799
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:29,760
and so they're staying out of it

2800
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:32,239
i believe deliberately and if asked they

2801
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:33,520
will defer

2802
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:35,040
they will demure

2803
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,760
meaning look uh yeah yeah

2804
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:39,119
whatever okay

2805
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,520
uh and that's fine with me

2806
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,600
all right i'm aware of some other things

2807
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,840
going on but but overall it's it's under

2808
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:47,920
the heading of yeah but uh we don't want

2809
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:49,760
to talk about

2810
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:53,440
that is another sign of how close we are

2811
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:55,280
right in other words they understand

2812
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,880
look

2813
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:58,960
the u.s needs to be the one to end this

2814
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:00,320
embargo

2815
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:02,080
putin could do it anytime he wants to we

2816
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,480
understand we kind of prefer the us

2817
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:06,880
same thing with gg pink we prefer the us

2818
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:08,719
the us is the one that needs to end this

2819
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:09,920
they're kind of getting there they're

2820
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:12,800
almost there for god's sakes just cool

2821
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:13,440
it

2822
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:16,480
all right

2823
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,679
in other words we're not going to be

2824
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,679
calling british witnesses or russian

2825
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:21,520
witnesses all we need is our own

2826
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:24,239
military witnesses yeah mostly retired

2827
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,480
maybe a few active all right

2828
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,159
that's what we need and the president

2829
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:29,920
can make the announcement and then putin

2830
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,119
can follow and shiji pink can follow

2831
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,840
and i think politically i think they

2832
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,679
both feel that's probably the better way

2833
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,360
to go but they could change their mind

2834
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:41,920
at any moment i know the uk will be

2835
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,639
thrilled okay we can stop dealing with

2836
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,600
this these fans left the crap over this

2837
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,440
right the uk is so knee-deep and the

2838
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:51,600
truth embargo is not even funny we're so

2839
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:53,840
far behind we just hang on the coattails

2840
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:55,040
of the us

2841
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,639
you may be far behind in terms of your

2842
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:59,119
public actions oh yeah

2843
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:02,400
mi6 is up to its ass in the e.t issue

2844
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,560
right and and the nuclear issue and

2845
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:06,080
everything else canada poor canada

2846
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:07,520
they're up there they've been used by us

2847
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:09,920
forever i assure you they would love to

2848
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:13,119
see this thing open and then

2849
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:14,239
and and by the way there's something

2850
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:16,719
else i didn't mention

2851
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,750
there is a way to do it that is the

2852
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:23,760
appropriate way

2853
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:26,000
it's the least disruptive way it is the

2854
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:28,239
responsible way but it has one other

2855
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,679
benefit

2856
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,600
doing it this way

2857
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:33,040
makes winners

2858
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:36,719
not losers out of most of the principles

2859
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,600
okay

2860
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:39,119
all right

2861
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:40,960
if the president suddenly wakes up one

2862
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,480
day and says i've had enough of this and

2863
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:44,080
he goes out and says yeah there's

2864
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:46,480
there's et's here i've known

2865
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,560
i should have told you sooner

2866
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,400
we're gonna take a raft of crap i mean

2867
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,400
it's gonna be like oh you're telling us

2868
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:53,920
today right you're telling us today is

2869
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:55,760
that it that you're telling us okay and

2870
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:57,360
he didn't tell us before

2871
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:58,400
and then of course the defense

2872
01:43:01,350 --> 01:43:00,239
department is going to go nuts right but

2873
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:01,360
wow

2874
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:03,520
you just put us in a pot and honor

2875
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:06,400
everybody is losing all right it's awful

2876
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,760
it's chaos

2877
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,679
it's not going to happen

2878
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:11,760
now let's look at the hearing process

2879
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:14,239
and what's going on right now

2880
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,880
the pentagon's on board

2881
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:18,960
they put out reports they briefed the

2882
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,000
congress

2883
01:43:22,830 --> 01:43:22,000
they're making positive statements they

2884
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:22,840
set up

2885
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,520
a uh on a uap task force over at the o i

2886
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,400
uh they're just being so helpful

2887
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:32,960
and the navy is being helpful okay they

2888
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,880
set up a new reporting process for the

2889
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:36,800
pilots they encourage them to report and

2890
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:39,440
so forth and so forth that's good

2891
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:40,560
uh

2892
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,840
congress is looking pretty good you've

2893
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,280
got people in congress calling for

2894
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:45,760
hearings they're getting the briefing

2895
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,159
and of course if they have hearings

2896
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,440
at least

2897
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:51,520
70 members

2898
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:52,960
that's about how many people are on the

2899
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,440
two house intel and house and senate the

2900
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:57,920
house and senate and houses and and the

2901
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:59,360
house and senate intel and armed

2902
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:01,280
services committees they're all going to

2903
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:02,719
be on camera

2904
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,639
hundreds of millions of people watching

2905
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,560
as they asked intelligent questions you

2906
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,000
don't have to be political here no show

2907
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,320
no no photography show intelligent

2908
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:12,080
questions of the witnesses

2909
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:13,840
uh commander fravor

2910
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,080
when did you first notice the tick tick

2911
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:18,400
uh they're looking great they're getting

2912
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:20,239
lots of great press lots of coverage

2913
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,920
fantastic the committee chairs well of

2914
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,440
course they get tremendous amounts of

2915
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:26,000
exposure and interviews looking fine

2916
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:26,960
okay

2917
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:27,840
uh

2918
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:30,719
and so the congress is winning

2919
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,400
the president wins the president

2920
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,320
basically is now able to come forward at

2921
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:35,679
some point while these hearings have

2922
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:38,560
gone along far enough and say

2923
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:39,920
wow

2924
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,920
this particular president who has stayed

2925
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:43,920
out of this issue but i assure you knows

2926
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,679
about this issue and i can get into that

2927
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:47,199
but the point is that i assure you abide

2928
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,960
knows about the disease he has stayed

2929
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:50,719
out of virginia's whole career and so he

2930
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:53,040
can come forward and say

2931
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:54,560
i've been watching this testimony with

2932
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,639
like you for days now extraordinary

2933
01:45:01,990 --> 01:45:00,400
and i've not discussed it with my top

2934
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:02,000
people at the pentagon and with

2935
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:04,080
congressional leaders

2936
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,679
and we have come to the conclusion that

2937
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,920
this testimony does

2938
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,600
confirm that

2939
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:11,679
some of these some of this

2940
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:13,760
what we're seeing is in fact

2941
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:16,080
non-human technology which means

2942
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,280
extraterrestrial i even say

2943
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,119
extraterrestrial technology

2944
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:21,199
and people will go

2945
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:24,880
thank you mr president thank you

2946
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,480
i i watch too i i totally agree

2947
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:30,560
and and you you have had the courage to

2948
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:32,880
look at it and and say that's the truth

2949
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:34,800
and come forward and tell us

2950
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:38,080
you are a hero of mine the president

2951
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:40,480
wins the congress wins the congress you

2952
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,600
know

2953
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:43,679
the witnesses win of course and by the

2954
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:45,119
way the witnesses will be from different

2955
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,560
services eventually the air force will

2956
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:48,000
get on board the air force is completely

2957
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:49,600
staying out of this they will not touch

2958
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,440
us with the temple and people are saying

2959
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:53,040
where's the air force

2960
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,600
the reason is simple of all of the

2961
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:57,600
agencies and services in the government

2962
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:00,480
on this issue going back to 1947 the air

2963
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:03,440
force has the absolute worst record

2964
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:06,320
it is awful it is abysmal it is an

2965
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:08,880
historical

2966
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:10,400
snafu

2967
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:13,199
and so they are the entity the agency

2968
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:15,040
the service that is going to have the

2969
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:16,560
worst public relation problems

2970
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:17,920
afterwards they are the ones are gonna

2971
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:19,840
have the toughest questions it's going

2972
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:22,320
to be brutal

2973
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:25,440
and so they're just kind of going look

2974
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:27,520
the less we say the better

2975
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:29,199
right everybody knows how awful our

2976
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:31,040
record is and so if we say anything you

2977
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:32,719
know they're going to say get out of

2978
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:34,320
here right

2979
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,679
then quiet

2980
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:37,040
right they figure the less we say the

2981
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:38,560
better it's off and then it'll go down

2982
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:40,880
when it goes down that if the air force

2983
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,400
ever comes forward and tries to get on

2984
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,159
the disclosure train that is a sign that

2985
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,560
we're really close okay

2986
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,639
but the point i'm making is is that the

2987
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:50,800
hearings process is making winners out

2988
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:53,520
of lots and lots of agencies and people

2989
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:55,840
yeah and some some of my colleagues some

2990
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:57,360
of my supporters would say god damn it

2991
01:47:02,070 --> 01:46:59,679
stephen you're being too nice

2992
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:02,080
right we want to punish them why not

2993
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:03,119
suffer

2994
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:05,199
right we want to put them in a corner

2995
01:47:11,109 --> 01:47:09,199
and rain down awful questions on no

2996
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,119
look the idea is to get disclosure and

2997
01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:13,360
move forward here right right that's

2998
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:15,040
what's important to the world

2999
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,679
not how miserable you make you know he

3000
01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:19,440
was coming to these people history will

3001
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:20,880
judge them

3002
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,560
history will be kind history will be not

3003
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,440
so kind let history do that job all

3004
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:26,880
right

3005
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,199
let's help the process let's make

3006
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:31,280
friends because

3007
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:34,000
and we probably should wrap this up here

3008
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:35,199
uh

3009
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:37,840
look disclosure is nothing more than the

3010
01:47:42,550 --> 01:47:40,400
confirmation of the e.t presence yeah

3011
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,560
that's all it is we've known millions of

3012
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:44,080
people know they're here 40 of the

3013
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:45,440
public believe the phenomenon is

3014
01:47:49,669 --> 01:47:47,360
extraterrestrial that's the latest poll

3015
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:49,679
been that way for 25 30 years gallup

3016
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:51,440
just did a poll a couple weeks ago 40

3017
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:53,360
yeah it's extraterrestrial

3018
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:54,080
so

3019
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:56,159
that's how big it's it's the most

3020
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,040
profound event in human history

3021
01:48:01,750 --> 01:48:00,960
but that's all that it is

3022
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:01,760
yeah

3023
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:04,080
what comes next is the post-disclosure

3024
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,760
world

3025
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:06,960
that's where

3026
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,760
all seven billion of us

3027
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:12,080
have to rethink

3028
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,040
how

3029
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,600
what the world is like and and and what

3030
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:17,600
it means and what we're gonna do and

3031
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:19,199
what the government should do

3032
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,159
and then we're gonna get all this

3033
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,560
information including information about

3034
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:24,480
tech and what we're gonna do about that

3035
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,280
yeah that's a century's worth of work

3036
01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:29,760
the changes that we will see then

3037
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:33,119
will be far greater than the simple

3038
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,960
change of the government telling the

3039
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,560
world something that's already known for

3040
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,080
like most of the world's known for like

3041
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:40,080
70 years absolutely and in the

3042
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:41,920
post-disclosure world is when the action

3043
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,760
happens the legislation takes place the

3044
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:45,119
meetings take place the world view

3045
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,920
changes take place that's when things

3046
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,760
get real

3047
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,840
and so we need all the friends in the

3048
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:54,239
post-disclosure world we can get

3049
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,800
and so this idea let's conduct

3050
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:58,480
the disclosure process and get

3051
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:01,040
disclosure by pissing off as many people

3052
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,440
as possible ruining as many careers as

3053
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:05,840
legacies as possible right creating as

3054
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:07,840
many enemies as possible this is not the

3055
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,880
way to go this isn't what you want to do

3056
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:13,199
you want these people to be your friends

3057
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,480
and they they're going to come and they

3058
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:16,480
may come up to you afterwards some

3059
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,320
former i don't know

3060
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:20,400
military guy or general or some former

3061
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:23,119
caa person or cia director

3062
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,560
and say

3063
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:29,910
i really appreciate the work you did

3064
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:32,560
uh on this or you know i or just

3065
01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:35,199
introduced you just introduced to them

3066
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:37,599
and you want to just hit them right away

3067
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:40,560
you son of a [\h__\h] you were you were you

3068
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:43,199
were debunking this issue for 15 years

3069
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:45,040
you lied about it over and over again

3070
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:46,080
you were part of the truth and

3071
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:47,760
bargaining or keep dipping it i hate

3072
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:49,520
your guts

3073
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,040
no

3074
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:53,679
you want to say mr secretary it is a

3075
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:55,760
pleasure to meet you i noticed your

3076
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,719
statements about the recent developments

3077
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:00,400
appreciate them greatly thank you yeah

3078
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:03,280
yeah so much

3079
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,400
you get you see what i'm getting at

3080
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:06,480
benny i absolutely do and i think that's

3081
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,679
right i mean

3082
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:09,119
history will

3083
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,880
you know catch up with the people that

3084
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:12,480
he needs to catch up with when it comes

3085
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,840
to the

3086
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:15,440
the misdemeanors and

3087
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,520
negative things which i'll do it quite

3088
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:19,520
that way not catch up

3089
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:22,159
history will account it will explain

3090
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,350
hey by the time history gets involved

3091
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:29,520
the statute of mutations is always over

3092
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,599
history is about explaining and putting

3093
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:32,800
in context

3094
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:34,960
and then other people will read that and

3095
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,760
they will they will have a judgment and

3096
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,360
that's what establishes a person's

3097
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:41,440
long-term legacy fair enough yeah

3098
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:43,199
sometimes that historical legacy is

3099
01:50:47,589 --> 01:50:44,639
false because they just don't get it

3100
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:47,599
right sometimes it's it's correct it but

3101
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,320
it is what it is i'm not a historian i'm

3102
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,400
an activist all right

3103
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:53,760
let's

3104
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,960
as it unfolds

3105
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,880
as a great opportunity to make friends

3106
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,159
in the media

3107
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,320
make friends in our governments

3108
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:06,639
make friends with our military

3109
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:13,510
the day after disclosure

3110
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:15,599
there's been a movie called that

3111
01:51:18,790 --> 01:51:16,560
yep

3112
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:18,800
i had a book called that that i actually

3113
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:20,480
had an advance on with a major new york

3114
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:22,480
publisher but i was mentally so screwed

3115
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:23,760
up that i couldn't do the book and i had

3116
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,850
to give the advance back

3117
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,360
[Music]

3118
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,000
the day after disclosure the situation

3119
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:31,840
the day before disclosure will not have

3120
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:34,400
changed and what's that situation

3121
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:36,880
we are closer today to nuclear war than

3122
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:40,480
we've ever been since 1945.

3123
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,400
now that's a statement that

3124
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:44,719
doesn't sound like much

3125
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:46,960
but i can't overemphasize how important

3126
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,159
it is right

3127
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:52,560
we are in cold war too

3128
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:54,239
the world is more stable than it's ever

3129
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,599
been

3130
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,599
the bulletin of atomic scientists which

3131
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:59,679
has been tracking nuclear war risk since

3132
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,360
1947

3133
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:03,199
not that long ago moved the clock the

3134
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:05,119
doomsday clock to 100 seconds to

3135
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,880
midnight a minute 40. it's the closest

3136
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:08,560
it's ever been closer than the cuban

3137
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,080
missile crisis

3138
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,560
closer than during the actual third cold

3139
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:14,480
war one

3140
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:16,320
and there are reasons for that i don't

3141
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:17,760
think i want to go into them right now

3142
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:19,599
uh because it's an hour and we're

3143
01:52:23,189 --> 01:52:21,920
already over over time the point is this

3144
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:23,199
is that

3145
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:25,280
we could have a nuclear war tomorrow

3146
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,480
right

3147
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:28,880
and we have been living on that edge for

3148
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:31,440
far too long we have we've been lucky

3149
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,679
yeah that our luck could end tomorrow

3150
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:35,599
and i assure you if we have that nuclear

3151
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:38,159
war whatever your political issues are

3152
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:40,320
whatever your vaccination issues are

3153
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:42,159
whatever your hopes and dreams are

3154
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:44,560
they're done they're over they're done

3155
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:45,360
okay

3156
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,400
all right

3157
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:48,480
if you're lucky you'll die in the

3158
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,719
initial blast

3159
01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:53,040
if you're unlucky you'll survive the

3160
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:55,199
initial blast and you will die later

3161
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:57,679
okay yeah that's really all you can hope

3162
01:53:02,149 --> 01:52:58,800
for

3163
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,159
and we are one screw-up away from that

3164
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:04,320
and that will be true the day after

3165
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:09,990
now again i'm going to be talking about

3166
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:11,440
this more as we go forward people are

3167
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:12,880
going to get really irritated they're

3168
01:53:17,030 --> 01:53:15,599
going to call me a fear of monger or uh

3169
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,040
you're off you're you're out of your

3170
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:19,280
zone or whatever the hell but no no no

3171
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,400
no

3172
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,560
because and this is going to be i'm

3173
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,599
going to be given this lecture

3174
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,440
at the conscious light expo

3175
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,440
which is coming up next week uh i think

3176
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:31,440
i'm lecturing on on doing a panel on

3177
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:34,080
sunday this is the lax hotel yeah right

3178
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:35,040
right now

3179
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:35,920
yeah

3180
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:38,639
so people can go on uh just google a

3181
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:41,440
conscious life expo and you can find out

3182
01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:43,040
how to participate in that it's actually

3183
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:44,320
going to be live

3184
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:48,000
at the la expo uh lax lax hotel and in a

3185
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,080
hilton hotel in london and it's going to

3186
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:52,239
be online so it's going to be both this

3187
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,440
will be the first live audience i've

3188
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:55,199
been in front of in 22 months i'm going

3189
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:56,880
to be talking about this

3190
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:57,840
but

3191
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,950
the two most important things that have

3192
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:05,440
been going on since 1945

3193
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:06,960
are the extraterrestrial presence and

3194
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:08,480
the nuclear arms race

3195
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,760
and it turns out that they are

3196
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:11,599
interconnected

3197
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:13,599
and that interconnection needs to be

3198
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:15,599
much more developed in terms of the

3199
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:18,000
public mind we need to get into that far

3200
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:19,440
deeper because it may be the most

3201
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:21,599
important aspect of it all

3202
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:23,199
and so again what up the point i'm

3203
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:24,560
making is this

3204
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,000
the day after disclosure the risk of

3205
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:28,080
nuclear war is just as great

3206
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,480
but the day after disclosure

3207
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,719
may be the beginning

3208
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,639
of the human race

3209
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:36,960
finally moving to

3210
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:40,560
an understanding followed by action

3211
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:42,320
that that cannot continue

3212
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:45,040
sure that we need to do the nuclear arms

3213
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:46,080
issue

3214
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:48,159
once and for all

3215
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:50,480
or we're going to

3216
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:51,520
expire

3217
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,040
our civilization is going to be

3218
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:55,520
destroyed it'll be set back

3219
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,360
500 years

3220
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:59,119
all hell will reign loose it will be

3221
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,280
awful it will it will post traumatic

3222
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:03,760
stress syndrome

3223
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:06,239
you can't imagine uh how how bad that

3224
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:07,520
will be so

3225
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:08,800
we have to make a decision and we can't

3226
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:11,760
do it now in in the pre-disclosure world

3227
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,000
nothing is happening we have utterly

3228
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:16,960
failed we cannot deal with the nuclear

3229
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,280
weapons issue the nuclear armaments

3230
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:21,119
issue and reduction of arms we cannot do

3231
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:23,599
with it it is a complete failure

3232
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:26,400
and so at any day now it's over

3233
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:28,239
we've been living that way so long we've

3234
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:29,840
gotten used to it

3235
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:31,119
it's like

3236
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,880
herculians they were living next to that

3237
01:55:38,709 --> 01:55:36,960
volcano they got used to it it's like

3238
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:38,719
you know it's

3239
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:39,920
weird

3240
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:41,920
but you know we got used to it

3241
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:43,840
and then one day it exploded

3242
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:45,440
and because they were so used to it they

3243
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:48,480
took way too long getting out of town

3244
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:50,080
we're in the same exact boat we have

3245
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:51,760
been living next to the nuclear arms

3246
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:54,320
volcano now for 74 years

3247
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:56,239
and when it finally goes off hardly

3248
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,480
anybody is going to get out of town

3249
01:56:01,350 --> 01:56:00,480
so we have got to deal with it and we

3250
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:01,360
can't

3251
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,800
and what i have said countless times

3252
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:05,040
over the last years is that the first

3253
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:07,119
opportunity to actually deal with the

3254
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:09,760
situation that we created

3255
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:11,679
starts the day after disclosure and

3256
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:13,840
that's why disclosure needs to happen

3257
01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:15,199
that's why it should have happened five

3258
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:17,760
years ago ten years ago or even back in

3259
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:20,080
1996

3260
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,840
when rockefeller made the move and

3261
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:24,000
clinton went to the dod and the air

3262
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:25,760
force and said i need help here i need

3263
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:28,000
files and they told him to go to hell

3264
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:29,840
and the air force created a 12 million

3265
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:32,239
dollar fake report

3266
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:33,119
re

3267
01:56:38,629 --> 01:56:35,679
uh describing roswell is not a raw wind

3268
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:38,639
balloon but a mogul balloon and this is

3269
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:41,040
a disgrace that will be on the

3270
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:43,679
historical record of air force secretary

3271
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:46,960
sheila whitnall until the end of time

3272
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:48,159
i'm not

3273
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,840
throwing shade here

3274
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:51,920
actually a brilliant woman and the first

3275
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:54,239
woman secretary of the air force quite a

3276
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:56,159
legacy but she was the head of the air

3277
01:57:01,030 --> 01:56:58,719
force when that report was made

3278
01:57:02,910 --> 01:57:01,040
that's what happened then

3279
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:02,920
now it is

3280
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:06,560
25 years later

3281
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:08,320
and the nuclear arms situation has

3282
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:10,719
gotten worse every year

3283
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:12,800
we're closer to nuclear war than ever

3284
01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:15,280
but we are on the verge of disclosure

3285
01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:17,199
that's what's going on vinnie

3286
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:19,040
i appreciate your patience

3287
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:20,400
i haven't

3288
01:57:25,589 --> 01:57:21,040
i

3289
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:25,599
you what

3290
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:26,960
i'm willing to give you some time for

3291
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:28,639
some rapid questions in other words if

3292
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:30,080
you've got something that has a short

3293
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,599
question i will actually give you a

3294
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:33,199
short answer if there's anything on your

3295
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:34,080
flight

3296
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:35,119
if not

3297
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:36,480
wrap it up

3298
01:57:41,270 --> 01:57:39,199
what do you got anything

3299
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:41,280
like like is it that i looked as good at

3300
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:44,080
this age i mean something easier

3301
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:46,080
you literally got to within the very end

3302
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:48,560
of my my list so what i will say is

3303
01:57:52,470 --> 01:57:50,239
what's next for you

3304
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:52,480
and the paradigm research group

3305
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:54,960
assuming the plan that you just gave us

3306
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:57,440
kind of starts to flow

3307
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:58,480
is there anything else you're going to

3308
01:58:02,470 --> 01:57:59,760
do are you just going to keep pushing

3309
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:02,480
are you involved with

3310
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:04,320
you know are you able to push this

3311
01:58:08,950 --> 01:58:06,800
forward anymore thank you for answering

3312
01:58:11,109 --> 01:58:08,960
that i appreciate it

3313
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:11,119
uh i have a major announcement i will be

3314
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:13,760
making either at the end of this month

3315
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:16,880
or the first 10 days of october

3316
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:17,599
uh

3317
01:58:22,550 --> 01:58:20,080
we will know

3318
01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:22,560
i'm going to be doing okay

3319
01:58:26,310 --> 01:58:24,480
all right

3320
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,320
and and and uh so

3321
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:29,199
uh sorry i can't go more into it though

3322
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:31,280
there are reasons for that uh but i'm

3323
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:33,360
teasing people to death because hey

3324
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:36,480
that's what you do right

3325
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:38,400
on the internet first you tease them

3326
01:58:41,030 --> 01:58:39,679
until they're crazy and then you hit

3327
01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:41,040
them with the real thing and then you

3328
01:58:45,350 --> 01:58:43,199
pound away at that until it's a meme and

3329
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:45,360
then you go you go viral and you're an

3330
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:47,119
influencer that's how you do so it

3331
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:50,800
starts with the t's so there's the t's

3332
01:58:54,470 --> 01:58:52,560
october pretty major announcement from

3333
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:54,480
paradigm research group that's fantastic

3334
01:58:57,189 --> 01:58:55,760
and we look forward to it but literally

3335
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,199
you've covered everything i had i didn't

3336
01:59:01,669 --> 01:58:59,280
even need to revert to my notes so

3337
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:01,679
listen i i just want to say thank you so

3338
01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:02,880
much

3339
01:59:06,790 --> 01:59:04,800
for for joining me first of all and for

3340
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:06,800
giving us your breakdown and rundown and

3341
01:59:11,189 --> 01:59:09,280
everything dating back in history right

3342
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:11,199
up until now i am just going to take

3343
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:12,400
this moment though to give a shout out

3344
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:14,480
to one particular follower who has been

3345
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:16,080
making a couple of donations throughout

3346
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:17,920
guy springthorpe thank you so much for

3347
01:59:22,070 --> 01:59:20,080
the support i appreciate you my man so

3348
01:59:22,950 --> 01:59:22,080
thank you so much for the support

3349
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:22,960
um

3350
01:59:26,950 --> 01:59:24,960
steve let's do this in the future let's

3351
01:59:28,470 --> 01:59:26,960
see how this progresses and maybe we'll

3352
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:28,480
be having a different conversation a few

3353
01:59:32,070 --> 01:59:31,040
months down the line fingers crossed

3354
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:32,080
of course

3355
01:59:35,830 --> 01:59:34,560
my website is paradigm research group

3356
01:59:38,870 --> 01:59:35,840
everything's linked below in the

3357
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:38,880
description it's down there

3358
01:59:42,149 --> 01:59:41,040
there's a you can sign up for the free

3359
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:42,159
mail list

3360
01:59:45,430 --> 01:59:44,480
uh there's a contribution page

3361
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:45,440
also

3362
01:59:48,070 --> 01:59:47,280
if you go into the resources and the

3363
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:48,080
issues issue

3364
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:49,599
[Music]

3365
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:52,800
you can find a a section that has 1 000

3366
01:59:57,030 --> 01:59:54,960
linked articles

3367
01:59:58,950 --> 01:59:57,040
earmarked and read about all the stuff

3368
02:00:00,709 --> 01:59:58,960
we just talked about ttsa all the things

3369
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:00,719
that are and one thousand of them you

3370
02:00:06,070 --> 02:00:03,199
can also find a section that's got 160

3371
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:06,080
video clips relating to the ttsa and

3372
02:00:09,270 --> 02:00:08,000
louis alessandro and melon and other

3373
02:00:10,870 --> 02:00:09,280
witnesses that have come forward that's

3374
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:10,880
160.

3375
02:00:15,669 --> 02:00:13,840
i hope to add another 50 to 60 soon

3376
02:00:17,430 --> 02:00:15,679
uh so there's enormous resources for

3377
02:00:19,350 --> 02:00:17,440
there people want to get up to speed

3378
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:19,360
yeah and and and and deal with the

3379
02:00:22,149 --> 02:00:20,560
cognitive dissonance that they're

3380
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:22,159
feeling right right now as they're going

3381
02:00:26,149 --> 02:00:23,760
i don't get this

3382
02:00:27,910 --> 02:00:26,159
so uh i invite you to do that and and

3383
02:00:30,709 --> 02:00:27,920
support vinnie and support everybody in

3384
02:00:33,189 --> 02:00:30,719
this field and remember

3385
02:00:35,189 --> 02:00:33,199
you want to make friends not enemies as

3386
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:35,199
the biggest event in human history

3387
02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:37,280
approaches

3388
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:39,040
absolutely i'm out

3389
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:41,040
thank you so much steve

3390
02:00:44,470 --> 02:00:42,560
until the next time my friend i

3391
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:44,480
appreciate you all the best and to

3392
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:46,000
everyone watching i will see you on the

3393
02:00:49,189 --> 02:00:47,280
next one

3394
02:00:50,229 --> 02:00:49,199
thank you so much for your support